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Guitar Scale Acoustic Basses

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5) re-winding:
you'll need something to hold onto the ball end. i drilled and tapped a #4-40 hole into a block of Delrin close to the edge of one of it's sides and ran a capscrew through the ball end hole and attached it to the block and mounted it into a vise. from the end of wrap Sharpie mark you made earlier, make another one 1/2" to 5/8" away from that mark. this is where you will start your loop. taking a pair of chain pliers (these have tapered round ends) and your string, start making a loop. begin slowly curving the core wire around the groove in the ferrule. you kinda want to do this once if possible, if you have a sharp bend in the wire trying to straighten it out can cause problems or "exploding strings". once you have your loop, start wrapping the core wire over itself like a noose -a nice even coil all the way to your end of wrap. study a couple strings from different manufacturers and see how those look. some will twist the whole thing with their machinery while others seem to have a variable spaced coil.
either way try not to nick the wire as this will make a stress riser at that spot and could lead to breakage. leave a little bit of un-coiled core wire left over. you'll be wrapping cover wire over this later.

6) the outer wrap:
now with your string still attached to your fixture, begin re-winding the cover wire (outer wrap). work slowly and evenly in the same direction that the rest of the string is wrapped remembering to move the wrap around the core like you would if you were wrapping up a handlebar or a tennis racket with grip tape. use the sides of your needle nose pliers every now and then to pack the coils snugly together. work you way back to the ball end. leaving a little bit of a gap at the end near the ferrule like you would with a tie and wrap once around the ball end groove. this probably isn't necessary and i haven't seen any strings that have this feature, but it seems to make sense to me. poke the end through the "vee" one more time, draw it snug and nip it off. on the bass strings i suggest only looping the outer wrap wire not the inner around the ball end as you won't have room for both.

now you're done. take the string off of your fixture, do any minor straightening by hand, string up, stretch and play. if you want threaded wrap go to step 7

7) thread:
with your string still in your fixture, get some thread. i'm using some polyester sewing thread from a pack of Singer spools that i found in the house somewhere. traditionally i think silk is used. you can customize with colors if you like. get your thread and starting from the ball end, lay the thread over the outer wrap wire with a little bit of excess (1/2" or so) hanging out the other side start wrapping in the reverse direction that you did your outer wrap wire and fold the "tail" of thread under your first few wraps catching it there so things stay snug. take the string off your fixture and twirl the thread over the wrap wire with your fingers back and forth over the wrap area that you'd like to cover. you don't have to be super neat here just go for even coverage of about 1/2" to 5/8" in length from the ball end. make sure all of the gaps are covered and bring the last wrap back up to the ball end. get some super glue and apply a small drop on the thread. use a finger to spread it around coating all of the thread. cut the spool loose and you're done.

tool wise i suggest beading or jewelry grade tools, clean with no sharp dings or burrs:

-one pair of needle nose pliers.
-one pair of chain nose pliers.
-one pair of wire cutters.
-good light and/or optics. a magnifying lamp is an excellent choice.
-a ball end holding fixture (make) or a bench vise and a correctly sized nail.
-super glue (optional)
-suitable thread (optional)

hope this was helpful
 
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Ok, we might have a legit alternative for strings. I did some past reading here, and I found a reference to this company Kalium. They actually sell "guitar" strings up to 142! Just ordered 2 sets 94 to 41. Takin another one for the team. :) Will report back here on the string length and where the taper begins.
 
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They have been on order for 4 days and no other word back from them. Wrote yesterday and didn't hear back from that.

Honestly the only reason I bought them is that I Thought they were sized for guitar scale but they are not They make them super long and have you cut with no taper. We will see if the 94 is actually cuttable.

I am now thinking you were referring to another reference I mentioned previously to a possible new type of string. I am confusing the topics. I ordered Kaliums for a new 26" scale solid body bass, and those are the people I can no longer hear from.
[been a week now]
[those strings, though, Could also work for our guitar scale acoustic basses]

Yesterday, though, I Did get delivery of a brand new string that could be a winner for our guitar scale acoustic basses. I will hopefully get time to experiment with them this weekend. To be continued ...

[But, also check out my other post if you have any interest in a new electric solid body, 26" scale, for less than $150.]
 
Hi all. Fun thread. :)

I was wanting one of these instruments, but I am broke, so improvisation is key...

I casually watched craigslist for a few months, looking for a surprise deal. Eventually found someone with an Epiphone acoustic guitar, "for parts/needs work". Turned out the fingerboard had been mangled in a defret, and it had some finish issues. It came with all the hardware, included in a pill bottle. But, free. :D
Get it home, looks like a project.I don't like pins, so made a tailpiece from a hinge and a piece of hard drive cage from a dead PS3, and a tall saddle from hardwood. I removed the fingerboard and replaced it with oak craft board from HD, and searched for the lightest, smallest cheap bass tuners on amazon. Made a functional nut from scrap maple, and cut up some bass strings. ;) After finding a case at Goodwill, my out of pocket cost was $35. After finishing, that may go up a little. Scale is 25.25.

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It's fretless (obviously) but I have fret wire if I want. I've played it with rounds and flats and it works great. It can sound surprisingly URB-ish, but mainly exists as a fun machine for use while the tv is on. :D
If you started with a working, fretted acoustic guitar, a similar mod would be a really cheap project.

Can post more pics if any interest.
 

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Just wanted to post an actual picture of this electric I picked up recently. This is an acoustic thread, but I thought some of you loving guitar scale acoustics would possibly be interested in this guitar scale electric. If you get interested, search on eBay for Raptor 38" electric bass.

This is a small, light, 26" scale solid body. Unlike many "kid" basses out there, this is a legit build, with a bunch of Real colors and finishes, not just the obligatory red. Mine is a natural, and it looks beautiful in person. It pretty much plays itself. :) Really having fun with it.

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Just wanted to post an actual picture of this electric I picked up recently. This is an acoustic thread, but I thought some of you loving guitar scale acoustics would possibly be interested in this guitar scale electric. If you get interested, search on eBay for Raptor 38" electric bass.

This is a small, light, 26" scale solid body. Unlike many "kid" basses out there, this is a legit build, with a bunch of Real colors and finishes, not just the obligatory red. Mine is a natural, and it looks beautiful in person. It pretty much plays itself. :) Really having fun with it.

Cool! Reminds me of the Fender P-Bass Jr, which is 28.6" scale. It didn't come with a tone control, but they are strung-through and can use most short scale strings as a result. Here's one next to a full size Jazz for comparison. I wish Fender would start making them again.

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Cool! Reminds me of the Fender P-Bass Jr, which is 28.6" scale. It didn't come with a tone control, but they are strung-through and can use most short scale strings as a result. Here's one next to a full size Jazz for comparison. I wish Fender would start making them again.

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Agreed. In light of the great success Ibanez has had for many years with the 28.6" scale Mikros, it is perplexing that Fender did not keep their Jr on the market. I had a friend who had one, and it sounded great. There is Absolutely a market out there for sub short scale electric basses with a Fender logo. Absolutely. It's a no brainer. To everyone but Fender apparently.
 

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