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Guns for wife and I

#121
I keep mine in a small safe with a quad-key. I have cylinder locks, but I don't use them. Keeping a loaded gun in access to a 2 and 4 year old is plain irresponsible and anyone doing so should have their rights taken away. I bought my Ruger SP101 for these reasons: .357 stopping power, 2 and one eighth inch barrel design, hammerless,double-action and no-safety design. Quick to draw and quick to fire,plain and simple. -Luke
 
#127
BuffaloBass said:
Nope. Wrong. Willing to, yeah whatever, but it's not explicitly required. Kneecaps are non lethal.

I use to have the same "elitist" attitute being a trained 'professional' in a past life. Now I realize that if someone is willing enough to own and train with a gun , they implicitly are willing. So you just train them when and when not do, and what to aim for.

Because if it hits the fan, and I can't be there to draw quick to protect them, I am NOT going to be the one they blame for not being able to protect themselves.

Let It Fall, I have two sons , now 10 and 13. For the last few years I have encouraged them to open the cabinet and go through it. Take them shooting anytime they ask now, but made a point of going to the range as soon as they were old enough. I wanted them to lose their curiousity of firearms, and replace that with a repsect for, understanding of, and enjoyment from.

Oddly, the youngest one, who can handle an AR quite well, thank you, had no prior "gaming" experience when I first allowed him to shoot real firearms., unlike his older brother. Well, moms and dads, I'm here to tell you that gaming experience somehow makes for very sloppy gun handling habits in real life. I have to watch the older boy like a hawk, while the younger one always has the action open when done, safety on when loaded and the muzzle always pointed the right way. Go figure?
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I can aim at and try and hit a moving knee cap in a hurry with a flurry of adrenaline running through me, or I can aim at center mass.

Firearms were developed purely to be a weapon that is designed to kill, and if you're going to own one, you ought to think about it that way and use it that way. There are more than a few cases of intruders being injured during a home invasion and suing the family member later in civil court and winning.
 
#128
Hi Folks. Thank you for all your suggestions and recommedations for a gun, ammo, training, thoughts, etc. I've noted all the guns that were suggested and will go to the gun show this weekend to see what they look like.

My father used to take me to target practice with his 12 gauge shotgun but I've never even held a handgun so all of the information that I've read is very important to me.
 
#129
Steve S said:
Hi Folks. Thank you for all your suggestions and recommedations for a gun, ammo, training, thoughts, etc. I've noted all the guns that were suggested and will go to the gun show this weekend to see what they look like.

My father used to take me to target practice with his 12 gauge shotgun but I've never even held a handgun so all of the information that I've read is very important to me.
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Now.......

Remember.......

At the show........

Keep your finger OFF the trigger as you handle the guns. Aways take and hand the gun back with the bolt open, cylinder out or slide back. They are called MAGZINES not clips. Ask before you dry fire. Don't point the gun at anyone as you handle it, even though you KNOW it's unloaded. Handle every gun as if it's loaded. Not looking like a n00b will help you interact better with the dealers :D
 
#130
FL Knifemaker said:
Now.......

Remember.......

At the show........

Keep your finger OFF the trigger as you handle the guns. Aways take and hand the gun back with the bolt open, cylinder out or slide back. They are called MAGZINES not clips. Ask before you dry fire. Don't point the gun at anyone as you handle it, even though you KNOW it's unloaded. Handle every gun as if it's loaded. Not looking like a n00b will help you interact better with the dealers :D
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excellent advice.....my old instructor never tired of saying "there is no such thing as an unloaded gun"
 
#131
sloasdaylight said:
I can aim at and try and hit a moving knee cap in a hurry with a flurry of adrenaline running through me, or I can aim at center mass.

Firearms were developed purely to be a weapon that is designed to kill, and if you're going to own one, you ought to think about it that way and use it that way.
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Agreed, and I'll add that despite the various applications that modern firearms have, the vast majority of handuns are still made expressly for the purpose of killing people. Yes, I know some people hunt with them or competitively shoot with them, but these are generally specialized weapons adapted for a purpose that they are not really designed for. Furthermore people who choose to do these things with handguns tend to do so for the added challenge.

In short, if you want to own a gun for defensive purposes, that's fine and dandy, but they are not to intimidate, scare, wound, injure, maim, slow down, warn, or what have you. They are to make people dead. If you won't accept that fact, you will likely hesitate at the worst possible time.
 
#132
FL Knifemaker said:
Now.......

Remember.......

At the show........

Keep your finger OFF the trigger as you handle the guns. Aways take and hand the gun back with the bolt open, cylinder out or slide back. They are called MAGZINES not clips. Ask before you dry fire. Don't point the gun at anyone as you handle it, even though you KNOW it's unloaded. Handle every gun as if it's loaded. Not looking like a n00b will help you interact better with the dealers :D
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What are "MAGZINES"? :D
 
#133
Actually, clip is an acceptable term if that's the type of magAzine to which you are referring. Magazines can be clips, or tubes (Pump and auto shotguns) or an internal box magazine (BA rifles). It can also be the room in a ship in which munitions are stored, although that's a little defunct. Although clip is a slangy way of saying "detachable box magazine" it isn't really wrong.
 
#135
To the OP: Have fun at the gun show!

My most recent revolver was a Taurus 605. It surprised me how I was consistently accurate with this handgun at approx. 15 yds. Consistent results when aiming at targets is a confidence builder! Our local range costs well under $100/year per family, for unlimited use. We enjoy those outings filled with sunshine, and fresh air...

The Colt Detective Special 'snubby' that I owned in the 80's is still considered very, desireable model.

My journey took me back to the semi-auto end, and Sig Sauer!
 
#136
For my job as a Corrections Officer, we use the Glock 22's. I also own one of my own and love it. It is a .40 Cal. handgun and holds 15 in the magazine and one on the chamber. I would recommend this gun to you for a few reasons. First off, it is very durable. Google search Glock test and read what it has endured. Next, it has to be one of the easiest guns to field strip and clean and then re-assemble. I can literally do it with my eyes closed. Last, this is a great gun for home defense or for just target practice. It is a very balanced gun and it also has a lot of options you can add to it such as a minnie light under the barrel with or without a laser.
 
#137
BuffaloBass said:
Nope. Wrong. Willing to, yeah whatever, but it's not explicitly required. Kneecaps are non lethal.
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I respectfully but firmly disagree.

First, there is no reason to use deadly force unless you are prepared to kill. Try to shoot someone's kneecap (a feat I wouldn't dream of attempting in a situation of stress, and one that probably more than 50% of handgun owners could not hope to attempt on a target range, much less during a home invasion) and hit a major artery - they'll be dead before help can arrive. Any firearm wound on any part of the body can become deadly...therefore you are absolutely not justified in using a firearm unless deadly force is justified.

Second, if you're justified in shooting to kill and fail to do so, you may get killed by the assailant you have failed to stop, and you're certainly going to get sued by him/her if they survive.

This is just to reinforce the idea that owning a firearm for self-defense is illogical unless you're ready to use deadly force. and use it effectively. Shooting to wound is a movie trick, not a real world reality.
 
#138
Pilgrim said:
I respectfully but firmly disagree.

First, there is no reason to use deadly force unless you are prepared to be kill. Try to shoot someone's kneecap (a feat I wouldn't dream of attempting in a situation of stress, and one that probably more than 50% of handgun owners could not hope to attempt on a target range, much less during a home invasion) and hit a major artery - they'll be dead before help can arrive. Any firearm wound on any part of the body can become deadly...therefore you are absolutely not justified in using a firearm unless deadly force is justified.

Second, if you're justified in shooting to kill and fail to do so, you may get killed by the assailant you have failed to stop, and you're certainly going to get sued by him/her if they survive.

This is just to reinforce the idea that owning a firearm for self-defense is illogical unless you're ready to use deadly force. and use it effectively. Shooting to wound is a movie trick, not a real world reality.
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+1
And go Kimber or go home... Well that is unless you are going Wilson Combat or Nighthawk Custom ;)
But seriously PRACTICE
Your budget should include at least one day a week on the range with ammo and a few classes to start then a class at least once a year.
 
#139
Pilgrim said:
I respectfully but firmly disagree.

First, there is no reason to use deadly force unless you are prepared to be kill. Try to shoot someone's kneecap (a feat I wouldn't dream of attempting in a situation of stress, and one that probably more than 50% of handgun owners could not hope to attempt on a target range, much less during a home invasion) and hit a major artery - they'll be dead before help can arrive. Any firearm wound on any part of the body can become deadly...therefore you are absolutely not justified in using a firearm unless deadly force is justified.

Second, if you're justified in shooting to kill and fail to do so, you may get killed by the assailant you have failed to stop, and you're certainly going to get sued by him/her if they survive.

This is just to reinforce the idea that owning a firearm for self-defense is illogical unless you're ready to use deadly force. and use it effectively. Shooting to wound is a movie trick, not a real world reality.
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I agree with this 100%. If its a situation where you feel it is dangerous enough to warrant a handgun, then it must be dangerous enough to warrant deadly force. There are no shoot to wound/down situations.
 
#140
jp58 said:
I agree with this 100%. If its a situation where you feel it is dangerous enough to warrant a handgun, then it must be dangerous enough to warrant deadly force. There are no shoot to wound/down situations.
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yes indeed....i would advise against aiming for knees or anything else that might allow an intruder more time to put one in your ten ring......a'course if you're john wayne you can always shoot the gun out of the bad guys hand,but i hear that even the duke hisself had to do a few takes to get it right...."ok people,reset,take two, action.....;)
 

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