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Guns for wife and I
- Thread starter Steve S
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I don't know if the OP ever found what he was looking for, but I carry one of these for my job: [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]
Some people have a beef with this gun, but I personally love it to death. It would be perfect for either you or your wife- the slide is super easy to pull back, and it virtually has zero recoil.
Some people have a beef with this gun, but I personally love it to death. It would be perfect for either you or your wife- the slide is super easy to pull back, and it virtually has zero recoil.
HAhaha, well played.
I have absolutely no use for that pistol, but now I want it really bad. The included laser sounds awesome. Since you have one.....does the laser have a pattern like the one Predator had? If I could get it to have a laser pattern like that, I'm buying it today.
-Mike
I have absolutely no use for that pistol, but now I want it really bad. The included laser sounds awesome. Since you have one.....does the laser have a pattern like the one Predator had? If I could get it to have a laser pattern like that, I'm buying it today.
-Mike
Geez, I wish. I wish it would pop out of the shoulder pad of my suit coat like the predator too.
The laser was a selling feature for me because I could accurately shoot with both eyes open, instead of closing an eye and missing a lot.
If you're not prepared to kill some one with a firearm, you have no purpose owning one. Yes, you shoot to stop the threat, and I believe I've said that many times in either this thread or another, and the easiest way to stop a threat is to eliminate the threat i.e. kill them. When I was getting my CCW, I read a lot of books/articles by self defense experts like Jim Cirillo (Former NYPD Stakeout squad member who survived more shootouts than anyone else on the NYPD), Masad Ayoob (been called to testify as an expert witness in many trials involving firearms and self defense), and there was a common, recurring theme between them, which coincided with what my CCW instructor told me during my class, which is that shooting to kill is the fastest, most efficient, and safest way (for the shooter) to neutralize a threat, so do that.
Telling some one to shoot to stop a threat is poor advice without a lot of qualifying. What if you've got some one who just bought a gun for home defense, and doesn't have a lot of time with it running IDPA courses or things of that nature? Telling them to shoot to end the threat might mean they fire a warning shot past their attacker, that goes through a wall and injures/kills their neighbor? What if they try to shoot their attacker in the kneecap to incapacitate them and their attacker closes the distance a firearm is supposed to provide?
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OK, how about this one. A man with a knife breaks into your home and you confront him in the hallway. You fire three shots into his chest and he goes down, dropping the knife and becoming unconscious. He is obviously critically wounded. Do you keep firing because he's not dead? Do you execute him with a headshot?
Don't shoot to kill, shoot as many rounds center of mass until the threat is no longer a threat. Whether the person lives or dies is of no concern to me, they are stopped and my family is safe. Then you secure the area - kick his weapon away, call 911, and keep your firearm trained on him until instructed to do otherwise by 911 or until the police get there and take control of the situation. Yes, you have to be WILLING to kill that is a given. You can't shoot them in the arm because you don't want to kill them. But your purpose is not to kill.
If the person lives, he will likely sue you. Either way, you will have to answer alot of questions.If he dies, there is no one to argue with. That being said, I think you 2 are arguing semantics. You both agree that you must be willing to accept the responsibility of killing someone while defending yourself or others if you want to own a firearm. But to answer your example, 3 shots in the chest from my 44 magnum with hollow points, and I won't be expecting him to be Christmas Shopping next season.
In this scenario, I would shoot until I knew for sure they were dead. I've seen way too many movies were someone is left for dead, only to have them resurface a few minutes later not quite all the way dead after all.
-Mike
Not only that, but what if the dude wakes up as a zombie, and you failed to shoot him in the head? You're zombie food bro.
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Well if he "resurfaces" and your pistol is trained on him and there is no knife present, what's the problem? If he makes any threatening actions you shoot again. If he's simply laying there trying to not die, why kill him? He isn't a threat anymore.
Are you crazy? You want me to stand there and stare at the guy to make sure he doesn't come back to life? I have other things to do, like finish watching the episode of Ruby I was interrupted from or finish up the pizza I was eating while watching Ruby.
We have three sizes. Wee, not so wee, and friggin huge!
-Mike
You can try and argue semantics all you want, but when you shoot some one 3 times at center mass, you're shooting to kill. The fact that the threat is neutralized without your attacker dying is a bonus for him/her.
- Feb 27, 2005
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Just saw this thread, since I'm doing research before my wife and I buy our first pistols...looks like we'll be going for a Walther P22 for inexpensive ammo (i.e. lots of practice), reliability, and concealability, and something that fires a larger caliber, yet to be determined (though a 1911 looks good to me).
While researching our firearms, we talked to a local gun store owner that also trains and retrains policemen in Yuma County. He's an ex-cop with decades of experience, and told us the exact opposite of what you're saying here. While the details may vary from state to state (which is why he recommends taking the CCW course here, even though it's not necessary to conceal-carry in Arizona), he and others have told us that the way to handle an intruder with lethal intent is to empty the gun into their center mass, so as not to have bullets punching through your walls. Don't fire unless you're truly afraid for your life, and if you do draw, shoot to kill, and keep shooting. Apparently, empty magazines make it easier to prove you were in fear for your life.
Their words, not mine, and I'll be happy to repost after we've got our pistols and have gone through the CCW course, for clarification for anyone else doing a search and getting confused.
Of course, no one should take legal advice from TB
, ever. Unless that advice is to talk to a lawyer, and even then...
While researching our firearms, we talked to a local gun store owner that also trains and retrains policemen in Yuma County. He's an ex-cop with decades of experience, and told us the exact opposite of what you're saying here. While the details may vary from state to state (which is why he recommends taking the CCW course here, even though it's not necessary to conceal-carry in Arizona), he and others have told us that the way to handle an intruder with lethal intent is to empty the gun into their center mass, so as not to have bullets punching through your walls. Don't fire unless you're truly afraid for your life, and if you do draw, shoot to kill, and keep shooting. Apparently, empty magazines make it easier to prove you were in fear for your life.
Their words, not mine, and I'll be happy to repost after we've got our pistols and have gone through the CCW course, for clarification for anyone else doing a search and getting confused.
Of course, no one should take legal advice from TB
, ever. Unless that advice is to talk to a lawyer, and even then...Also I want to address this.
The legal use of deadly force for civilians varies GREATLY from state to state. Florida has the Castle Doctrine. Chicago has, or had, until a 2010 supreme court case I believe, absurdly draconian laws about the possession of handguns.
The rules are different here than they are there.
I also have a P22 in addition to my PK380. The P22 is the plinker gun, and the PK380 is the business gun.
You'll really like the P22 for a "for fun gun" at the range. If you like the feel, mechanisms, and quirks of the P22 and want something slightly bigger with the same feel and mechanics, I highly recommend the PK380.
