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Guns for wife and I

#81
burk48237 makes an excellent point in post # 55.
"There are plenty of good self defense rounds available in 9 mm and .38 that I would be more then comfortable with as a defensive weapon. The situation most people are defending their house in is far different from a police officer entering a drug den or in a shootout with armed suspects."

Even if I were to miss, and shoot into my attic above the bedroom, it would likely scare 'anyone' within hearing distance, including a BG (or two) that just forced one of my doors open. :eek:
 
#82
Stacatto said:
burk48237 makes an excellent point in post # 55.
"There are plenty of good self defense rounds available in 9 mm and .38 that I would be more then comfortable with as a defensive weapon. The situation most people are defending their house in is far different from a police officer entering a drug den or in a shootout with armed suspects."

Even if I were to miss, and shoot into my attic above the bedroom, it would likely scare 'anyone' within hearing distance, including a BG (or two) that just forced one of my doors open. :eek:
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If I were to go 9 mm, it'd be one with a 16-round magazine. It's like channels on a mixer board ... you should always get more than you think you need.
 
#83
Pilgrim said:
"My wife has always been against weapons of every kind but a long talk with her brother seems to have change her mind."

Steve, that statement relates directly to what I said earlier: there is NO logical way to use a firearm except to kill. You wife is highly unlikely to be willing to do that. It's also extremely unlikely that she will invest enough time in learning how to use it. The probable result is that it will be taken away from her and used on her.

I recommend that you re-consider. This is not a realistic thing for you and her to do, unless you take sole responsibility, and even then IMO you'd be better off investing in a high end home security system.
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Again, I agree with you. Guns were invented for a purpose ... to kill people. The two cardinal rules of firearms are:

1. Never draw your weapon unless you intend to use it.

2. If you shoot, shoot to kill.

In response to Johnny's post, my answer is no, she will not be able to shoot to kill. Taking someone's life is the ultimate assumption of personal responsibility. The emotional repercussions of making that decision are difficult even for people employed to do so (soldiers, police officers, etc.). For an inexperienced woman who doesn't like guns in the first place (I doubt a single conversation truly changed that), the decision to shoot another person even under the most dire circumstances would not be likely.

I have never taken another's life, and don't plan to. But in the event that the lives of my family were threatened and I had the means to stop it, I would at any extreme.
 
#85
Trigger happy cops is one thing but apparently in WWII a significant percentage of soldiers would aim over the heads of the enemy.

Chances of wifey or yourself being unable to pull the trigger when it came to it? Greater than you'd think. You must desensitise yourself to the natural hardwired human aversion to killing another human. Practise on human shape targets. Video games work well also.
 
#87
Spud gun.
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#88
Let me see,
1. One hit between the eyes with a .22 beats 15 misses with a 45ACP
2. A person who brags about the terror they will spread with their sawed off 12ga is neither familiar with the law nor with the reality of taking another persons life (even in self defense)
3. Home defense is a real concern and is a legitimate reason for a handgun.
4. Safe storage is possible given modern gun safes. A one handgun safe with finger print recognition is about as secure and as safe as you can get when the SHTF, and it is safe from the grand kids.
5. The Clint Eastwood effect of the 44 mag is a myth, a gun is a gun is a gun when you are staring down the barrel. Get something that is 100% reliable over the coarse of 500 round and you will have a firearm that you can bet your life on.
6. Don't buy your first firearm from a gun show, just like a bass forum, everyone has a belief as to what is best and at a show that belief will most likely involve what is currently on the table for sale.
7. Finally and most importantly, get out into the real world and do some talking and shooting and learning. The average range has a contact member for the NRA and they are well worth getting with to learn.
DRoot
 
#91
lousybassplayer said:
Stop talking about guns, you might have a negligent mental discharge. There are a few ways to acheive the goal he asked about, but it requires a little thinking on the gun owners behalf. If you are being outsmarted by your children you may not be qualified to own a firearm.
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If you think you AREN'T occasionally being outsmarted by your children, you definitely aren't qualified to have children.
 
#94
aborgman said:
If you think you AREN'T occasionally being outsmarted by your children, you definitely aren't qualified to have children.
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You may have a point there, I have to admit. Although my kids are pretty dumb ;)

I was joshin' you anyhow, so don't get too upset. Your posts indicate a degree of "knows-his-####"ness. I thik the only way someone could achieve a goal of having a gun accessable in an emergency and not accessable to a kid is to keep it on them, which is obviously a hassle when trying to sleep. My shotgun is hung on my wall at a height that I can only reach by standing on my bed, so no problems with the kiddies at this point, although as they get older this option won't be available. My .45 stays in a paddle holster bolted to my nightstand, but every morning I put it back into the safe.
 
#95
Honestly, I would stay away from the Para-Ordanance, my gunsmith is a master armorer and he says the craftsmanship on the gun is horrible and he would buy a Taurus 1911 over top a Para for the fact at least the Taurus has a lifetime warranty when it breaks. You can get some really great prices on factory refurbished Sigs, these are gun that were leased by police departments then sent back to sig when the lease was up. A friend of mine picked up a P220 .45 for $500 and it looked brand new, shoots accurate and will feed 200gr LSWCs all day.

Steve S said:
I think the models of pistols that have been mentioned are:

Sig Saur P230
Sig Saur P225
Kel-Tec
Para-Ordanance P 12
9 mm Beretta
Smith and Wesson M&P
Springfield HD
S&W Model 29
Ruger MK 111
Glock

There's going to be a gun show this weekend at one of the local fairgrounds so I'll probably go to see what these guns look like. Luckily, our kids are grown so we don't have concerns about them hurting themselves with the guns. Please let me know if I've misspelled any of them.
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#96
lousybassplayer said:
You may have a point there, I have to admit. Although my kids are pretty dumb ;)

I was joshin' you anyhow, so don't get too upset. Your posts indicate a degree of "knows-his-####"ness. I thik the only way someone could achieve a goal of having a gun accessable in an emergency and not accessable to a kid is to keep it on them, which is obviously a hassle when trying to sleep.
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...and one can make an argument about how safe sleeping with a loaded weapon is.


lousybassplayer said:
My shotgun is hung on my wall at a height that I can only reach by standing on my bed, so no problems with the kiddies at this point, although as they get older this option won't be available. My .45 stays in a paddle holster bolted to my nightstand, but every morning I put it back into the safe.
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Yeah... after finding my not yet walking child climbing around on the top of my refrigerator - I gave up on the idea of keeping things away with height.
 
#97
CrashClint said:
Honestly, I would stay away from the Para-Ordanance, my gunsmith is a master armorer and he says the craftsmanship on the gun is horrible and he would buy a Taurus 1911 over top a Para for the fact at least the Taurus has a lifetime warranty when it breaks. You can get some really great prices on factory refurbished Sigs, these are gun that were leased by police departments then sent back to sig when the lease was up. A friend of mine picked up a P220 .45 for $500 and it looked brand new, shoots accurate and will feed 200gr LSWCs all day.
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I have an OLD alloy framed P14 thats been a fantastic gun for years. It's on it's third barrel. That said, most of the well known 1911 smiths I know mainly build on Colts and Springfields only or Caspian frames and slides.
 
#98
aborgman said:
...and one can make an argument about how safe sleeping with a loaded weapon is.




Yeah... after finding my not yet walking child climbing around on the top of my refrigerator - I gave up on the idea of keeping things away with height.
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Hey, I've slept with condition one weapons many many many times. Sometimes the risk of not doing it overshadows the risk of doing it.

Well in the shotgun instance the only one of my kids that can walk would have to step on me to even get onto the bed, so I'd notice. Like I said, there will certainly come a point where that won't work anymore.
 
#99
FL Knifemaker said:
I have an OLD alloy framed P14 thats been a fantastic gun for years. It's on it's third barrel. That said, most of the well known 1911 smiths I know mainly build on Colts and Springfields only or Caspian frames and slides.
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The newer ones just aren't built like the old ones. When I used to compete years ago a lot of guys were using the old hi-cap alloy frames. The last match I went to as an observer, no one was using the Para's.

They newer ones seem to shoot ball ammo fine. I know Cap does a lot of barrel and fit modifications so they will feed anything.
 
#100
CrashClint said:
The newer ones just aren't built like the old ones. When I used to compete years ago a lot of guys were using the old hi-cap alloy frames. The last match I went to as an observer, no one was using the Para's.

They newer ones seem to shoot ball ammo fine. I know Cap does a lot of barrel and fit modifications so they will feed anything.
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I must have been out of the IPSC shooting loop for a while. I recall when tuned up POs were pretty fashionable with the wannabes at my old gun club.

That came out a little wrong. IPSC: Not wannabes. Dudes at the gun club: IPSC wannabes.
 

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