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Double Bass GUTS ARE SO MUCH FUN!!!

I have had it on for months, so no. It just sounds/feels a bit sharper/harder, less full than the other strings to me. I used a Efrano stark G for a while, and now I am giving this Garbo gut g a try. Will report back.

Hello Povl, Velvet reports 23kg of tension for the Garbo gut G. I had one till I messed it up with bad maintenance work, it was my first ever gut string. It was a great string, but if my memory serves it had more tension than standard Lenzner ( 2,2mm or 2,3mm if I recall ), or medium+ Gamut Pistoy I bought used, and killed too at some point. If I`ve understood correctly its twisted in different manner than Lenzners or Efranos.

I`m not meaning that you should avoid it in any way, just wanted to share my experiences on it. I used mine mostly on top of Velvet Animas, and that was a perfect tension match.

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Are there any other wound gut rewinding services other than what Gamut offers?

It would be handy since I've got a Gamut E and A as well as my trusty Chorda CH E and A that would need a rewinding...


Moi @ericsmith , I`m not sure if custom gut string maker Nicholas Baldock ( in Germany ) has this service, but one could ask. Google the name and you`ll get the contact info.
 
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I've been using Gamuts on my G&D for a while. Lately paired with Evah Slaps on the E&A. Been wanting to try plain gut all the way, or at least the A. So I won an Ebay auction on a box of 11 old used guts. Lots of unidentified strings, but a couple plain E's and A's were my main interest. It's amazing how different they are from the Gamuts. I know the difference between the top and bottom guts is substantial, but now I'm wondering how much is the Gamuts vs the old guts. The A and E are super low tension, floppy and buzzy etc. but sound pretty good. If I spring for Gamut plain A and E will it be gut nirvana?

I guess if anyone has compared plain Gamut A or E to other brands that info would be useful.

I could get used to the plain A. The E will need some playing around with. It's not in good shape anyway and I wouldn't trust it on a gig. The other plain E is so fat it won't fit in the hole on the peg. Not sure how to deal with that unless pulling the strands of gut apart at the end is ok to do.
 
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I've been using Gamuts on my G&D for a while. Lately paired with Evah Slaps on the E&A. Been wanting to try plain gut all the way, or at least the A. So I won an Ebay auction on a box of 11 old used guts. Lots of unidentified strings, but a couple plain E's and A's were my main interest. It's amazing how different they are from the Gamuts. I know the difference between the top and bottom guts is substantial, but now I'm wondering how much is the Gamuts vs the old guts. The A and E are super low tension, floppy and buzzy etc. but sound pretty good. If I spring for Gamut plain A and E will it be gut nirvana?

I guess if anyone has compared plain Gamut A or E to other brands that info would be useful.

I could get used to the plain A. The E will need some playing around with. It's not in good shape anyway and I wouldn't trust it on a gig. The other plain E is so fat it won't fit in the hole on the peg. Not sure how to deal with that unless pulling the strands of gut apart at the end is ok to do.

There`s a thread on Gamut Pistoy plain E somewhere here, with a really nice recording with full set of plain Pistoys, check that out!
 
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Maybe try a wrapped E? A guy around town uses a Garbo on the E and gamut A D G pain

Good point, but I kind of put my foot down and said no more wrapped gut. The Evah slaps seemed close enough to Eudoxas and such without the tuning instability and windings coming loose - not to mention cheaper.

I may have to backtrack on that and try again. The plain gut A is really starting to do it for me. I think it's on to stay, maybe upgrade to the Gamut. Left with non-plain gut options for the E, I may try a Eudoxa again...unless I can find a plain gut E with just a little more tension.
 
What do you do if the gut E is too fat to fit in the tuning peg hole?

To see if it would work, I took an old cheap gut E and separated the strands a little and left some of the frayed end out of the hole. Got most of it in so it would catch and be able to wind. The end of the string looks like hell now and I don't want to do that to something like a $300 Gamut E.

Thoughts?
 
I once elongated my Efrano naked gut strings with a strap because they were too short for my 4/4 5-string.
I used a braided nylon line, about 1.5 to 2 mm in diameter and knotted it by a simple knot but with two to four windings instead of the normal single one and fastened the knot using two pliers at both ends to get enough friction that it won't slip. If the string is oily, remove the oil before applying the knot. Fastening by hand did not get enough friction and too many windings doesn't allow to fasten the knot enough. I would start with three windings and using pliers to fasten as much as possible. And make sure the pliers don't cut into the line while fastening the knot.

I think that should work for a naked E string, because the area of friction is rather high on such a thick string, but it makes the string thicker and might generate problems in he peg box. If it doesn't work you can simply cut into the nylon line to be able to remove it without shortening the gut string. I have even used a 1mm sailor yarn on DB strings, but I think this is close to the limit.
 
I wrote almost a novel here on friday, but ended up deleting it all ( it got a little too friday romantic :) ) Anyway, I was organizing my string stash last week and couldn`t resist trying the 3,45mm Lenzner plain A again ( I`m about to sell all the extra strings ). It wasn`t that bad for some reason anymore, the rattling had settled down to buzzing. Now I`ve had the string on for lots of noodling around in my living room, 1 rehearsal with el.guitar / voice, and a mostly arco gig today with a 5-piece impro group. Other strings are unknown plain gut 2,5mm G and 2,8mm D + downtuned 4/4 Spiro solo E.

It`s very nice in many ways. Traditional pizz tone is huge ( in a mix, amplified rehearsals in a small basement room and todays gig unamplified in a small movie theatre ), and I love how this setup makes me play when there`s no sonic difference in 3 upper strings, I play more melodically. Feel is outstanding, both pizz and arco. It`s not a easy playing set, like E.P slaps are, by any means, but I can make a ton of sound effortlessly, without the tension or feel of steels. It`s so weird, my bass is not loud, but it`s extremely audible. I can play for hours as loud as I can, and my hands aren`t strained at all afterwards.

This buzzing thing is mostly a problem, if at all, in my living room, not in a mix. On the other hand there`s something cool in it too. The A string reminds me of some western-african traditional instrument with a huge organic tone and gentle buzz integrated. It exists on the same notes on the D string too, but is a lot less audible there. It`s really sensitive to the technique of both hands, stopping and plucking. I`ve managed to play the string without the buzz too, in the living room. In the mix it`s only audible at loudest, and then it reminds of sort of plain gut growl, and happens accidentally, the normal is inaudible in a mix. The Lenzner has a lot rougher surface than rest of my guts, and I wonder if that buzz diminishes when the string is played in, and maintained more.

Interesting to see how this develops. I have plenty of stuff coming in the near future, a 10min solo gig in a spring concert of a improvisation collective I`m attending ( that`s acoustic and arco only ), gigs with my bass / el guitar duo, gigs with the band I play in. Places like galleries or outdoor gigs, acoustic and amplified. Amplified gig in a trio with el.guitar and drums in a small impro festival, all kinds of stuff and surroundings. I`m definently going to stick with this setup for this early summer season. I`m waiting for the rehearsals with the band I`m in, el.guit, ten.sax, banjo, me amplified, drums, as it`s a great reality check for a setup, and the rehearsals are recorded. I might ask my luthier if it would be possible to do a less radical planing to my fingerboard than go all gut ski jump track on it, if there`s a need after some time. I have my strings at same height, 9mm - 12mm, that I had with solo Spiros / plain guts -combo, and don`t see a reason to raise them, as the tone, feel and intonation is great like this. The A is on kinda on the edge perceived tension? -vice at this height, but that`s really not the only thing to get used to here. If I go higher the G starts to feel too tense, and I really wouldn`t like to sacrifice the overall balanced feel of this set. Spiro E matches really well in both tension and tone, it can be thumpy, or growly as hell, and it gives the plain guts some clarity, and some reference of intonation. Stays in tune too, in any surroundings.

I`m hooked, so to speak :)
 
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