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Double Bass GUTS ARE SO MUCH FUN!!!

A higher twist makes the string more stretchy (easier to stretch) and easier on bend which results in a more flexible string and probably a higher vibrational amplitude.
Because the thick D strings are often too stiff, a lighter D string and/or the combination of Lyon G with Pistoy D is popular.

Read on the manufacturers site how the Pistoys are constructed, I have only a very loose memory about that, but it might even be that the Pistoys might be built from several strands of thinner gut strings which are twisted in the opposite direction than the resulting string.

On the other hand, gut strings are highly processed, can be made from different animal sources etc.
Aquila had some interesting information about their gut string making process.
 
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I believe Efrano are higher twist than Lenzner. At least that is my experience from the Efrano "stark" G I have. My Lenzners seem to have died a bit on me after 3 years, I think it is. So I think I am going to treat myself to a set of Efrano plain guts, as a christmas gift. Will go with mediums, though the stark G does sound good, bought it because the Lenzner G lacked some weight in the sound on my bass. Think I will throw in a "weich" G also, so I can test out the differences between the 3 gauges.
 
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I`ve read some of the Gamut site stuff, but wasn`t sure about it all. I put the Lenzner plain A back on the bass today to see if I can live with it at more moderate string heights. The D and G are ex-nylon wrapped Pirastro Pizzicatos from which I ripped the wrapping off. The Lenzner feels very different, a lot softer and elastic comparing to Pirastros. So this is propably about the twist rate, am I right?

@Povl Carstensen , I`ve tried different gauge gut G`s too, from light to heavy and in between. While a weich G gave me more room to mess with feel and string heights, I found that it lacked the cojones and sounded more string-y than medium - heavy G`s.

Anyway, there`s something about having 3 plain guts on my bass. All the gut qualities of tone gets pronounced when playing pizz, and arco is just fantastic.
 
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I pulled the trigger for Efrano medium plain D and A + used Garbo reqular E. These will go with my ghetto Pirastro G, which is stiff and loud and nice. Will keep them set a little lower, 7 - 11mm`s-ish height. Recent experiences with Pirastro GD / Lezner A / E.P slap E are good, but the middle strings should feel more similar than these do, and I`d like a little more tension and power on the E string than the E.P slap provides.
 
Very interested in your solution for D string ... others gone before have chosen Gamut Pistoy med+ D string.
Yes, I am trying to stick to a "dogma" of staying with lower/medium priced strings. So it has been Lenzner/Efrano for me so far. I suppose the Efranos are about half price of the Gamut. I will report back, but it will probably be in the new year before the new strings are on and settled, etc.
 
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Yes, I am trying to stick to a "dogma" of staying with lower/medium priced strings. So it has been Lenzner/Efrano for me so far. I suppose the Efranos are about half price of the Gamut. I will report back, but it will probably be in the new year before the new strings are on and settled, etc.

More than that, and us europeans have to pay the customs on top of already freaking expensive strings. We have the cheap options like Efrano and Lenzner in the neighborhood, with Pirastros, Kurschners, Baldocks and the very Rolls Royce Genssler too :)

With all that said, Efrano plain gut medium gauge D and A, first impressions after a day on my bass: I paired them with my plain gut G, which is originally nylon wrapped Pirastro Pizzicato but lately unwound, a lot better like that. I tried the set today with E.P slap and reqular Velvet Garbo E`s, and surprisingly decised to stay with E.P slap as that`s what I`m used to play and the no bs factor is very real. It doesn`t have the testosterone of guts or Garbos, but it blends well in just about every aspect and is dead stupid easy to play. My strings are now at very moderate height, the heavy gauge G is at app 7,5mm`s and E at 11mm`s.

Efrano D diameter is 2,85mm and A is 3,7mm. I was looking for balanced tension between the D and A which didn`t happen with unwound Pizzicato D ( 3mm -ish ) and Lenzner A ( 3,45mm if I recall ). They will propably loose some tension as they stretch, but surprisingly they stopped their heaviest stretching today. Tuning was all over the place in the morning, but after trying different setups ( over the tailpiece / under the tp etc ) and E string trials they started to behave pretty solidly, much earlier than Lezners have. They are not as smooth surface as the Pirastro, a little rough twisting feel, D is a little more blond coloured than the A. Exactly what I was supposing them to be, beeing the cheapest alternative in the market. They were heavily oiled and non-varnished out of the sleeve, I had the oil all over my fingerboard yesterday.

I had a weich Efrano G that got damaged with bad maintenance combined with skin ph affecting issues. It was really dark, almost dull for first couple of weeks, but then opened up beautifully. This is why I dared to try the D and A out. The Pirastro G sounds very clear and rich, as did my Efrano G after some playing in. Now they are how plain guts are in the beginning, rattling, undefined and very dark. The D has some of the beauty and serious sustain going on anyway, even at this point, and the A is capable of producing clear pitches if played with strong left hand. Both do work all over the fingerboard, pizz or arco. My experience is, that plain A`s and D`s wouldn`t produce sustain and definition pizz if player`s left hand is sloppy. The tone comes from dead correct left hand intonation and following symphathetical vibrations. You have to be in tune with your instrument for that. Slap would be fantastic if it didn`t mess the tuning up immediately.

The feel is now great with even tension across the strings. IME plain guts are never easy to play, but they wear me out in a different way than say Evah`s does. It`s not about strenght, it`s about pressing and plucking that monster A in a most delicate manner. You really feel it under your fingers, and the slightest move on the left hand changes everything about it. These have to bowed a lot, for learning the intonation and waking the monster gauge strings up. The A is a very difficult bowed string at this stage. But then, it gives so much back, a deep deep resonant tone. Overall, I feel my bass resonating like crazy.

I decised to stay with these for at least a month. There`s so much about the tone of plain gut ADG, more I have them on my bass better it sounds and easier gets the playing, and you can`t get that tone elsewhere. Previously I had weich gauge plain ADG with high setup, that messed up my right hand in a bad way. Let`s see if this one delivers. Lately I`ve been heavily into pizz technique where I pluck the strings fast down/sidewards and let the fingers snap on the fingerboard. This produces something that I associate with " old school " tone, and this technique combined with lower setup has improved my time feel drastitcly. I wonder what Carlos Henriquez @BAJO meant on a interwiev saying that his RH fingers never touch the fingerboard, that`s how he can make any bass and setup sound old school, if I understood correctly. Would love to get a lesson from that guy, he sounds amazing! Anyway, my beloved teacher plays guts pretty physically, and the fb snapping stuff came from him.

All in all, I think there`s nothing to fear buying Efrano plain guts. Quality stuff which doesn`t break the bank.

Overall, I`m almost anxious to wait and play the strings in.
 
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The high Cs of the Efranos are much higher tension than the G and D, even using a middle high C with a heavy G won't match.

And there seems to be a wider range of diameters for the strings that are used for categorizing, so a thicker middle string can be close to a thinner heavy string.

Maybe they select diameters for complete sets so that the set is balanced, but then the whole set of the same tension category can be very different in tension to another one.
 
Anyone interested in a couple of reviews of the Gamut Red Diamond strings go to the thread titled Gamut Red Diamond. I posted a couple of reviews on my first impressions of using them in a performance of the Messiah tuned at A=415 and then some performances with choirs in a large cathedral and playing pizzicato without an amp. Summary: they were great!
 
So, new Efrano medium D and G went on, with my two year old Lenzner A and E. Replaced a Lenzner 2 year old D and a Efrano Stark G. Had them on for some days. But they somehow felt a bit dull compared to the Lenzners. As if they have less mid/top than the Lenzners, less character. And a bit higher tension than Lenzners. Quality strings I am sure, but not really what I hoped for. So Lenzner D is back. AND my original Lenzner G, which I quickly discarded back in the day. Because it felt too thin/high tension, and not "deep" enough sounding. Which send me to playing with a Efrano stark, a Garbo light syn. G (surprisingly good), and for the longest time, a Garbo gut G.
Now the Lenzner G is getting its chance. And I have the satisfaction of playing a "uniform" set, with some kind of recognition across strings...
 
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I learned a good lesson this year. If you want to play guts, save your money and buy the good stuff.

Bought a set of Lenzner's plus one of their raw A strings. In less than 10 months, all the strings except the raw A&D have broke.
I've put together a hybrid Dlugo/Chorda set all strings have probably 4 years of playing on them, the Dlugo's are probably 9, maybe 10 years old. They sound pretty decent.
The good news, is that I love the way the raw A sounds/ plays.
So now the great debate of Gamut vs Dlugoglecki begins again. I'm not on the bow a ton, and I travel a lot, so I'm guessing that varnished strings are a good idea.
 
I learned a good lesson this year. If you want to play guts, save your money and buy the good stuff.

Bought a set of Lenzner's plus one of their raw A strings. In less than 10 months, all the strings except the raw A&D have broke.
I've put together a hybrid Dlugo/Chorda set all strings have probably 4 years of playing on them, the Dlugo's are probably 9, maybe 10 years old. They sound pretty decent.
The good news, is that I love the way the raw A sounds/ plays.
So now the great debate of Gamut vs Dlugoglecki begins again. I'm not on the bow a ton, and I travel a lot, so I'm guessing that varnished strings are a good idea.

Damian and Dans strings are beautiful works of art that sound great. But try a set of Gerold’s strings if you can before springing for a new set from anybody. I’ve used gut strings almost exclusively for 15 years and Gerold’s for the past 5 or so. I’ve cycled through different strings of his over the past few years and have been impressed and amazed by all. I truly love his current AP offering.
 
Damian and Dans strings are beautiful works of art that sound great. But try a set of Gerold’s strings if you can before springing for a new set from anybody. I’ve used gut strings almost exclusively for 15 years and Gerold’s for the past 5 or so. I’ve cycled through different strings of his over the past few years and have been impressed and amazed by all. I truly love his current AP offering.
I'll look into that. I think I bought a used set of his years ago, very high tension if I remember correctly. Stiffer than Spiros and quite hard to bow. Do you have any idea what set that may have been?
 
Damian and Dans strings are beautiful works of art that sound great. But try a set of Gerold’s strings if you can before springing for a new set from anybody. I’ve used gut strings almost exclusively for 15 years and Gerold’s for the past 5 or so. I’ve cycled through different strings of his over the past few years and have been impressed and amazed by all. I truly love his current AP offering.

Hi Nathan,
Sorry to pester, I play mostly pizz and slap style. I'm more concerned with the front end of the not as opposed to sustain, but I value a good bow sound. I feel like wound E with raw AD&G is my best option going forward, do you have opinions on the best string to look into?
 

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