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H1N1 Hype

I think Vene-nemesis might have meant Thalidomide (changing just one letter)- in reference to being concerned about medicine/vaccines. That was a medical tragedy for sure. Still, it was not a vaccine per se, but you get the point. If I am not correct on my assumption Vene - my apologies.

Thalidomide was introduced in the 50's as a sedative, not a vaccine. It's adverse affects on pregnant women was tragic and due to poor testing procedures for the development and production of new drugs.

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Thalidomide was the driving force behind the development of better testing, monitoring, and regulations with regards to drug development, production and safety.

I don't see the direct link between Thalidomide and today's H1N1 (or any vaccine) except for the maintenance of a general mistrust of drugs and the companies that produce them.

Basic fact that people may want to think about is, many people on this planet would not live a long and healthy life without the antibiotics and antiviral drugs developed and produced over the past 60+ years.
 
I don't see the direct link between Thalidomide and today's H1N1 (or any vaccine) except for the maintenance of a general mistrust of drugs and the companies that produce them.

Agreed. The reference to Thalidomide is a red herring. If vene-nemesis wanted to argue about health hazards associated with a vaccine, he would be better off using the 1976 flu vaccine as an example. That vaccine was said to have caused about 500 cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS), resulting in 25 deaths. Of course, over 48 million people received the vaccine, so the risk of developing GBS as the result of the vaccine was still very, very low.
 
Im not against vaccination, im against insuficiently tested pharmaceutical products.

The Influenza vaccine is one of the most studied and tested vaccines made. This is because the flu vaccine remains mostly unchanged from year to year. The vaccines need only minor changes to adjust for the different strain variants that come out each flu season. The H1N1 vaccine is currently undergoing clinical trials in approximately 3000 patients to determine efficacy and safety. Vaccine efficacy and safety are determined before production may begin. This is one of the reasons why the vaccine will not be available until mid October.

The major strains are already known ahead of time. What becomes difficult to know is when strains combine (hybridization) to boost the virulence (capacity for adverse effects) of the virus. This hybridization takes place post infection, when an individual contracts one strain of the flu virus and then is exposed to a second strain of the flu virus. A hybrid of the two strains may be produced that causes severe adverse effects.
 
Right, because sanitation and medicine are exaclty the same now as in 1918. I'm sure that having thousands upon thousands of soldiers huddled together in trenches didn't help to spread the bug either.

Seriously, the 1918 references are ridiculous.

While modern medicine has advanced greatly since 1918, a modern flu pandemic could have consequences that are just as bad.

Sanitation: Yes, it has gotten better, but has it really done anything to prevent people from getting sick? The flu mainly spreads because someone sneezes or coughs, and you breathe that in. Being clean is a great way to prevent food poisoning or gastroenteritis, but it doesn't do much to prevent flu transmission. Close quarters will make the flu spread like wildfire, and we've already got that: one kid gets the flu, a week later half the school has it, and now it's spread all over town. Very difficult to stop.

Antiviral medication: These are cool, but of limited usefulness. The first problem is that some strains are resistant to antiviral medications. It really depends on the strain and the medication, but the point is that viruses can mutate quickly, so there is no guarantee that antivirals will save you. The other problem is that these medications are of somewhat limited usefulness. In practice, they reduce the length and severity somewhat, and that's great because you can get to work a day sooner. But it isn't a cure, and if you don't start on antiviral medications quickly, they won't be effective.

Support: With more advanced medical equipment/knowledge, we're much better able to deal with keeping alive someone who is very sick. However, there is a caveat: if a truly nasty strain such as the 1918 one came about, sick people would be out of luck. Many hospitals are already way over capacity. If people were dropping dead left and right from the flu, which is a possibility, then it's unlikely that there would be enough resources to take care of all of them. Some hospitals are developing 'what-if' type of plans, but at the end of the day, there just aren't enough beds for everyone to be sick at once.



That said, I doubt this flu season will be the death of us all. And yes, as always, the media is hyping it up. But it's not all hype - there is a real possibility that many people will die, and it is certain that many more will get sick.

If you're a vaccine non-believer, you don't have to get the shot. But I will, and I think it's a good idea for most people. You can get it without the thimeserol if you're worried about that.
 
I'd put money on the majority of "suspected" cases to be paranoia caused by the media hype.

For example, I currently feel like crap, primarily in my head and chest. If I was already freaking out about OMG SWINE FLU GONNA KILL ME SDASDASDFGSDFG, I would probably feel worse than I do right now, whether due to stress or psychosomatic symptoms or whatever. People literally thinking themselves into an illness isn't anything new, and has some pretty solid research behind it.

When the media does its absolute best to create worldwide panic, gullible people everywhere will think themselves into an illness. If people are legitimately sick, they will think themselves into "What is the symptoms of the swine flu again? Maybe I have those... yeah, surely I have those!" These people go to the doctor, the doctors relay the suspected cases to higher-ups, that gets to the media, and the hype keeps building. It's a giant cycle that could be prevented with responsible reporting and common sense.


Looking up the symptoms, it's fully possible that I have H1N1! Wikipedia lists the symptoms as fever, coughing, headaches, pain in the muscles or joints, sore throat, chills, fatigue and runny nose, and I have had 7 of the 8 in the past 4 days (my muscles aren't sore, but I'm in good shape so maybe I'm just not noticing it). Granted, those symptoms are pretty typical of the vast majority of infections, but I'm not worried about the other ones. It must be the swine flu.
 
I'd put money on the majority of "suspected" cases to be paranoia caused by the media hype.

For example, I currently feel like crap, primarily in my head and chest. If I was already freaking out about OMG SWINE FLU GONNA KILL ME SDASDASDFGSDFG, I would probably feel worse than I do right now, whether due to stress or psychosomatic symptoms or whatever. People literally thinking themselves into an illness isn't anything new, and has some pretty solid research behind it.

When the media does its absolute best to create worldwide panic, gullible people everywhere will think themselves into an illness. If people are legitimately sick, they will think themselves into "What is the symptoms of the swine flu again? Maybe I have those... yeah, surely I have those!" These people go to the doctor, the doctors relay the suspected cases to higher-ups, that gets to the media, and the hype keeps building. It's a giant cycle that could be prevented with responsible reporting and common sense.


Looking up the symptoms, it's fully possible that I have H1N1! Wikipedia lists the symptoms as fever, coughing, headaches, pain in the muscles or joints, sore throat, chills, fatigue and runny nose, and I have had 7 of the 8 in the past 4 days (my muscles aren't sore, but I'm in good shape so maybe I'm just not noticing it). Granted, those symptoms are pretty typical of the vast majority of infections, but I'm not worried about the other ones. It must be the swine flu.

No. People are actually getting sick with the flu. Many of whom are getting Swine flu. Did you have a fever? Swine flu causes a higher than usual fever. Also, Swine flu has a virulence factor that allows it to spread more quickly than seasonal flu.
 
I did have a fever, yes. I only took my own temperature once, but I had the fever for longer than I wanted to admit it because if I called in on Friday, I would have lost my holiday pay for Monday. Gotta make the $$$!

Unrelated, I find it interesting that the US is only #8 on the list on Google Trends in searching for "swine flu," and only Singapore and Germany searched for H1N1 more frequently than they did swine flu.

According to the CDC, "The United States continues to report the largest number of novel H1N1 cases of any country worldwide, however, most people who have become ill have recovered without requiring medical treatment." Additionally, out of everyone who goes to the doctor with flu-like symptoms, less than 1/5 of them actually have H1N1.

Are there more cases than normal? Of course, there's a new disease. Is it as terrifying as most people think? Not at all.

I'm still not convinced it's even half as big as people want it to be.
 
I honestly forgot about 'swine flu' until this thread popped up again.

Hype it was.

Flu season hasn't even started yet. I'll wait until the flu season is over BEFORE deciding how severe it was. I don't have a crystal ball and can't make predictions. Hard to call something hype before it actually happens. :hmm:

BTW: the warnings of the threat of a severe flu season is not hype, its public information/awareness. You can do whatever you want with the info, even iognore it. ;)
 
If the fever doesn't go down or chest congestion makes it difficult to breath, go get checked out by a doctor. This is for any type of flu, not just swine flu.

Secondary bacterial infections in the lungs (pneumonia) is what kills many flu sufferers. Swine flu, H1N1, infiltrates deeper into the respiratory tract (lungs) than traditional flu, which creates a higher likelyhood of secondary pneumonias.
 
Flu season hasn't even started yet.

BTW: the warnings of the threat of a severe flu season is not hype, its public information/awareness. You can do whatever you want with the info, even iognore it.

For North America. Been and on it's way out for the other side of the world, wasn't the end of the world.

As for the information, it's gets to a point where it becomes hype, and it did.
 
Honestly, I'm not terribly concerned about it. I usually end up with some form of upper-respiratory bug for about a month every August/September, and even if I have to end up getting a cough suppressant with Vicodin in it (that stuff works great, by the way), it's never serious enough to stop me from living.

Oddly enough, since I've started working in a dusty-as-hell environment it's been primarily sinus infections that hit their peak at the end of the week and then just sort of linger in the airways for a while. I'm beginning to suspect the fact that I'm breathing in the accumulated dust of hundreds of shipping trips from hundreds of cross-country routes and turning my snot into a gray mass of caked gunk has something to do with it. ;)

It's not H1N1.

You are being quite calm, helpful and reasonable despite my sarcasm and youthful hard-headedness, though. It makes me feel a little guilty.
 
For North America. Been and on it's way out for the other side of the world, wasn't the end of the world.

As for the information, it's gets to a point where it becomes hype, and it did.

Hate to tell you this, but it hasn't really started in North America yet. The late spring/summer was just a precurser. Flu season starts late fall/early winter and continues through the winter. [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]

The H1N1 vaccines won't be available until mid-october. If we are seeing spikes in H1N1 this early in the season, it's going to be a long winter.
 
Hate to tell you this, but it hasn't really started in North America yet. The late spring/summer was just a precurser. Flu season starts late fall/early winter and continues through the winter. [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]

The H1N1 vaccines won't be available until mid-october. If we are seeing spikes in H1N1 this early in the season, it's going to be a long winter.

That was my point, re read my post ;)
 
That was my point, re read my post ;)

I re-read your post and as far as information becoming hype? I didn't see it that way at all. The CDC and media health correspondents all said it could go either way. Hit hard or die out. It died out over the summer as flus usually do.

I don't expect quite the same result this winter though due to the early numbers of seasonal and H1N1 flu cases. If the CDC and the media didn't keep people posted and H1N1 hit people hard, they would be screeming for heads to roll. :atoz:
 

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