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Harbinger Vari V2112 Powered Loudspeakers on sale.

Big Hoss

Big Hoss

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Sep 5, 2014
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For those interested, the Harbinger Vari V2112 600w 12" 2 way powered loudspeakers are on sale for $169.99 at MusiciansFriend.com.

I have a pair that are presently being pressed into service as mains for vocals and some guitar support. They work great for what they are. Don't expect QSC quality or performance at this price point...
 
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EastCoastThump said:
...and so discussions about the gear's capabilities, limits, or applications would be totally appropriate here. My sense of the forum rules is that flogging gear sales here is out of bounds, though. That's what the Classified:Hot Deals forum is for.
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Thanks for the heads up. Never knew about that one.
 
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modulusman said:
The specs suck on those speakers. 118db max is really bad.
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Yeah just below causing pain sucks. :-P
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modulusman said:
Well I'm sure those speakers are painful to listen too.:roflmao: What you need to know is every time you double the distance you lose 6db of volume.
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Your opinions notwithstanding, we get complements from the audience. I'm not playing stadiums, Typically I am playing large yard parties, venues with capacities of 200 or less. And I don't use just one PA speaker...
 
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Big Hoss said:
Your opinions notwithstanding, we get complements from the audience. I'm not playing stadiums, Typically I am playing large yard parties, venues with capacities of 200 or less. And I don't use just one PA speaker...
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I recommended the Yamaha DBR series in a thread you started last week. The specs on that are 131 db compared to 118. If you were pushing your PA speakers at say 110-112 db at one meter would you want to be using one with lots more headroom? Figuring crest factor the Harbinger is at its limit at this volume. The Yamaha has plenty in reserve. 10db is twice as loud so one Yamaha is louder than a pair of the Harbingers.
 
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modulusman said:
I recommended the Yamaha DBR series in a thread you started last week. The specs on that are 131 db compared to 118. If you were pushing your PA speakers at say 110-112 db at one meter would you want to be using one with lots more headroom? Figuring crest factor the Harbinger is at its limit at this volume. The Yamaha has plenty in reserve. 10db is twice as loud so one Yamaha is louder than a pair of the Harbingers.
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Simply put, I don't need to be *that* loud. Not saying extra overhead isn't nice to have, it is. But so is money left in the wallet. At the sale price of these, maybe not at $169.00, but at $129.99 I can easily re sell the Harbingers locally for what I paid for them, possibly even make $10.00 per unit profit. No joke. So they really are cheaper than renting. Are they a long term solution? For monitoring possibly so, for mains, not so much, but they do what my band is doing, and they do it very well.

Yes the Yamaha DBRs are nice, at least on paper.... It is hard to tell in person as the demo units at Guitar Center are in a less than useful setup, and honestly, rarely if ever are they in actual usable shape... NOT faulting the DBRs, it just seems my local guitar center seems to be where abused non functional, or barely functional crap gets dumped... The ONLY Powered PA speakers that worked right at my local GC oddly enough were the Harbingers. New enough they hadn't had a chance to get trashed yet I figure...

As far as the loud / lots of overhead argument goes look at it this way, why drop Fat Boy when an M-80 will do the job?
 
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Big Hoss said:
Simply put, I don't need to be *that* loud. Not saying extra overhead isn't nice to have, it is. But so is money left in the wallet. At the sale price of these, maybe not at $169.00, but at $129.99 I can easily re sell the Harbingers locally for what I paid for them, possibly even make $10.00 per unit profit. No joke. So they really are cheaper than renting. Are they a long term solution? For monitoring possibly so, for mains, not so much, but they do what my band is doing, and they do it very well.

Yes the Yamaha DBRs are nice, at least on paper.... It is hard to tell in person as the demo units at Guitar Center are in a less than useful setup, and honestly, rarely if ever are they in actual usable shape... NOT faulting the DBRs, it just seems my local guitar center seems to be where abused non functional, or barely functional crap gets dumped... The ONLY Powered PA speakers that worked right at my local GC oddly enough were the Harbingers. New enough they hadn't had a chance to get trashed yet I figure...

As far as the loud / lots of overhead argument goes look at it this way, why drop Fat Boy when an M-80 will do the job?
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That will change when you get a drummer.:) As far as people telling you that you sound good take it with a grain of salt. If I had a dollar for every time someone said that to me I could buy an MTD535 bass.
 
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modulusman said:
That will change when you get a drummer.:) As far as people telling you that you sound good take it with a grain of salt. If I had a dollar for every time someone said that to me I could buy an MTD535 bass.
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Eh, you've got the money to buy anything you want right?
 
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EastCoastThump said:
...and so discussions about the gear's capabilities, limits, or applications would be totally appropriate here.
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As such, and with Modulusman's objections noted and completely ignored let's go into the fineries of these speakers then shall we?

Capabilities, and admittedly somewhat limited, but as is shown in the chart I posted above, they are capable, in pairs of getting to pain inducing volume levels. My band is using them to...

#1. Carry Vocals.
#2. Carry drum synth. Not big bass drum hip hop type stuff, but country / southern rock type stuff. They suit the need nicely.
#3. Carry some of the guitar.
#4. We use them presently, and it was not the original intent for them, but they are working as mains, we work small venues, yard parties, dock parties. The biggest venue we have worked with them has been a hotel ballroom / conference room with a capacity of I am guessing around 200. We do NOT play at obscene volume levels. But we aren't quiet either. We play at levels where folks dance, drink, have fun, yet can get away from the PA and carry on a conversation.

They honestly are better for monitors, or just cheap spares in case your regular mains die unexpectedly. We are working on gathering funds to get the mains we want, but until then...
 
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In fairness to Modulusman, he has noticeably lightened up his negative tone, is providing some very useful information on the specs, and the speaker he is recommending is a darn good one.
The Harbingers are a great deal, but the Yamahas - at slightly more than twice the price - are definitely worth the difference and are still quite a bit less than a set of QSCs.
 
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I agree, Modulusman has toned back quite a bit on his negative tone. I guess he had the fear of Mods put into him...

And he is 1000% right they don't stack up to the Yamahas, or QSCs or even Electro Voice, but they do function well for what they are. Plain and simple.

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Yamaha DBR12 presently at $499.99 each with a $100.00 / pair rebate offer. So assume you take the rebate... $449.99 each.

The Yamaha's are roughly 2.65x more expensive than the Harbingers.

Just FWIW, if I had the $$ I would snap up a pair of those Yamahas, but I don't. And even if I did right now, I would snap up a paid off bill first.

Now long term, I need my band mates to chip in on PA, or we need to work something where band funds go into PA. But then again, if I get a guitarist rage quit on me, I won't be losing my PA any time soon...
 

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