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Hartke, Kustom, Line 6 or Ashdown?

If you're playing a gig with 800 listeners, you really need to use the PA that should be available to amplify the bass to the audience, at which point your backline is only going to serve as a stage monitor. An Ashdown head into a 410 cab will do that job as well as carry the room for smaller gigs.

Thanks for calling that to my attention.

Another recommendation would be to look at something like a Markbass Little Mark, which is lightweight, fairly powerful and warm.

I was actually going for a MarkBass Little Mark II, until it went out of stock. I usually shop from www.thomann.de but they seem to have sold out LMII and are now stocked LMIII, which is twice the price of the Ashdown, and has less features (but more tone, no doubt about that).

If he's already going direct into the PA for large venues I don't see much sense in a 600w head driving two 4 ohm cabinets.

Gossamer, you just need to figure out what volume needs you'll eventually have to meet with your backline rig. Nobody here can decide what arrangement of cabinets you're eventually going to need for gig purposes.

My thoughts on your situation are that tone is more important than power availability. If you're considering the Kustom head and a second cabinet, then you have to know that 600w into two 4 ohm cabinets has the potential to get pretty damn loud, and if you don't plan on running your backline at arena levels, that's alot of output potential you're never really going to even use.

The Kustom head is at 600W 2ohm, while the Ashdown MAG-600H is 575W 4ohm. If both are paired with a 4ohm 410 cab, the Ashdown will deliver theoretically 575W at 4ohm perfectly matched load, while the Kustom will deliver less, since it runs at 2ohm minimum and the cab runs at 4ohm.

Note that in the EU, they both cost Eur388 ($574). The Ashdown has more of the fat, warm tone I'm after, but I can only have it power 1 cab, while the Kustom has more of a hi-fi head and can have it power eventually 2 cabs.

This complicates matters a bit I guess.

Tone-wise, if you want old-school Ampeg tone, you're already a long-ways there with the Ampeg cabinet. Why haven't you considered an Ampeg head? Ashdown amplifiers are nice but I'd stay far away from their cabinets loaded with the blue speakers. They're vintage as in "total lack of clarity and definition" vintage.

The cheapest Ampeg head is the (apart from the Micro VR, which is a souvenir, not a head) AMPEG B-2RE, 450W 4ohm, which would be a perfect match to my Ampeg cab. However it costs Eur599 ($887). It costs half as much MORE than the Ashdown/Kustom heads. Tone-wise, IT'S PERFECT for what I'm after. But I need versatility too. Is it capable of a hi-fi sound? Slapping seems to lack a bit of definition and low end.

Does buying an Ampeg B-2RE make as much sense as buying a hi-fi Kustom Groove 600H and putting a Tech 21 VT Bass in front of it, for the possibility of having both hi-fi and old-school tones?
 
How's it going, gossamer,

Welcome to talkbass. if you're looking for a bass head that has a warm, vintage sound in a solid-state form, I would recommend the acoustic b600h. this bass head has massive lows and it's affordable.

http://bass-guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Acoustic-B600H-600-Watt-Bass-Head?sku=501093

Hi Crystalman85, thanks man.

Re: Acoustic B600H. I've tried one of those through 2 homebrew cabs. I didn't like it much, but maybe that's because of the cabs. The owner is a guitarist-turned-bassist who's just started playing with a friend of mine who plays guitar, and the band constantly complains about the way his rig sounds. He tried some other cabs with the same head, but no improvement. Maybe it's in need of repair, I dunno. Also, there are no local Acoustic agents. I'd rather buy a product I can repair locally with no hassle, especially if I'm still covered by warranty.

Thanks anyway tho, I appreciate :)
 
@ Doodaddy: what's your experience with the Kustom 1200HD head?

Did you eventually sell it or replace it?

I had it as my main head for quite some time. It is an incredibly powerful head. I loved the tone shaping sections and its sleek look.

I sold it two days ago. I needed either two heads or a very portable head. My bank account voted to sell the Kustom and buy a Walkabout. I sold it local to a friend (that I play for), so I can use it still. :)
 
Does buying an Ampeg B-2RE make as much sense as buying a hi-fi Kustom Groove 600H and putting a Tech 21 VT Bass in front of it, for the possibility of having both hi-fi and old-school tones?

Actually going with the more versatile amp and using a VT pedal for vintage/Ampeg tones would probably be your best option. I've never heard the Kustom amp and the only time I've heard an Ashdown amp was with their Blue-speaker loaded cabinets, which I do not have a high opinion of. I'm guessing an Ashdown head into your Ampeg cabinet would sound good because the Ashdown's have a preamp "shape" button which get you that ideal Mark King scooped slap-tone but they can also run vintage-ish tones without the preamp "shape" feature." But I don't know about putting 575 watts into a cabinet rated for 450 watts.
 
Thanks to anyone who's given me some input. I really appreciate it, and it's given me a lot of food for thought regarding my decision to buy a bass head. Thanks a bunch :)

But I don't know about putting 575 watts into a cabinet rated for 450 watts.

I just checked the specs on the Ampeg site: it's actually a 400W not 450W cabinet.

Which shouldn't be a problem: the Ashdown runs at 4ohm, so it will be putting out, at max, 575W into a 400W 4ohm cab. However since the Kustom outputs 600W at 2ohms, hooking it up to a 4ohm cab will result in only 450W being pushed into the cab (according to the Kustom user manual, page 9 - Invalid Link Removed) which would make the Kustom head a more sensible choice given the rating of the cabinet. Right?
 
I had it as my main head for quite some time. It is an incredibly powerful head. I loved the tone shaping sections and its sleek look.

I sold it two days ago. I needed either two heads or a very portable head. My bank account voted to sell the Kustom and buy a Walkabout. I sold it local to a friend (that I play for), so I can use it still. :)

Smooooooth. Good thinkin! :P
 
Hi Crystalman85, thanks man.

Re: Acoustic B600H. I've tried one of those through 2 homebrew cabs. I didn't like it much, but maybe that's because of the cabs. The owner is a guitarist-turned-bassist who's just started playing with a friend of mine who plays guitar, and the band constantly complains about the way his rig sounds. He tried some other cabs with the same head, but no improvement. Maybe it's in need of repair, I dunno. Also, there are no local Acoustic agents. I'd rather buy a product I can repair locally with no hassle, especially if I'm still covered by warranty.

Thanks anyway tho, I appreciate :)

Anytime, dude.

I've tried out one of the acoustic bass combo amps a few months ago. at the time, I was in the market for a new bass combo amp. they got a cool sound and all(and I can easily see why many bass players praise these amps), but it just wasn't the right combo amp for me. I soon decided to purchase a hartke a100(since I've tried it out a few times at sam ash) and honestly, I'm very satisfied with my purchase.

as a hartke guy, I say go for the hartke lh500. but since you've mention that you're looking for a tube sound, if it helps, purchase a tech 21 vt bass pedal. this pedal can help you duplicate tube sounds.
 
I just checked the specs on the Ampeg site: it's actually a 400W not 450W cabinet.

Which shouldn't be a problem: the Ashdown runs at 4ohm, so it will be putting out, at max, 575W into a 400W 4ohm cab. However since the Kustom outputs 600W at 2ohms, hooking it up to a 4ohm cab will result in only 450W being pushed into the cab (according to the Kustom user manual, page 9 - Invalid Link Removed) which would make the Kustom head a more sensible choice given the rating of the cabinet. Right?
Eh, as long as you're careful to not turn up the head to louder than the cab can take, it should be OK. It's only when you get a little insane with the volume and bass knobs that you need to worry.

BTW, to touch on another amp you brought up, I'm starting to have a more charitable opinion of Line 6's amp models. They're actually pretty good, a lot better than they used to be with the first generation stuff. It's a lot less fakey sounding now. I don't think they're quite on par with the VT pedal, but they're a lot better than they used to be. And make no mistake...you can get stupid loud with 400w (by comparison, SVT's only do 300w worth of clean). I don't know that the Line 6 would be the amp I would choose out of that list, but I wouldn't dismiss it just because it's digital.
 
I personally am fond of Hartke as a brand and especially their new LH heads and HyDrive cabs.
Very good value for the money.
Although their LH heads are a matter of taste. I admit they are not as versatile as the other amps mentioned.

Line 6 is good, but as mentioned, it's also an aquired taste.
Their digital technology is very good, but there is a chance in the future you might feel: "enough of this digital stuff, I want the real thing".


Ashdown is also very good. The MAG heads are good bang for the buck (I'm not so fond of the construction of the MAG cabs).
The MAG is a good solid state amp, but IMO, if you are sticking with solid state move up to Gallien Krueger. Better quality and a bit more versatile in sound.
 
René_Julien;8158867 said:
I personally am fond of Hartke as a brand and especially their new LH heads and HyDrive cabs.
Very good value for the money.
Although their LH heads are a matter of taste. I admit they are not as versatile as the other amps mentioned.

Line 6 is good, but as mentioned, it's also an aquired taste.
Their digital technology is very good, but there is a chance in the future you might feel: "enough of this digital stuff, I want the real thing".


Ashdown is also very good. The MAG heads are good bang for the buck (I'm not so fond of the construction of the MAG cabs).
The MAG is a good solid state amp, but IMO, if you are sticking with solid state move up to Gallien Krueger. Better quality and a bit more versatile in sound.

I own a gallien-krueger 700rb-II bass head along with a gallien-krueger goldline 4x10 bass cab. sounds awesome. I use it when I gig with one of the bands I play in.
 
thanks for the replies :)

@ TheRockinRoadie: any experience regards digital gear and/or Line 6?

Hi,

Im not just saying that to be snobby...

Ive had experience with Line6 Spiders and also Roland amps.
Both stopped working after little use and i thought they sounded horrible, compared to a decent amp of a similar price. ive also had a digital multieffect go wrong on me.
I've never touched digital since, (especially as im a valve amp nut).

I gave it a chance, and it let me down, so valves and SS it is! :hyper:
 
Eh, as long as you're careful to not turn up the head to louder than the cab can take, it should be OK. It's only when you get a little insane with the volume and bass knobs that you need to worry.

My thoughts exactly. :)

René_Julien;8158867 said:
Line 6 is good, but as mentioned, it's also an aquired taste.
Their digital technology is very good, but there is a chance in the future you might feel: "enough of this digital stuff, I want the real thing".

I've been through there with guitar already, I know what you mean, and I'd rather not go through it again. I'd rather have a head which is an actual head and has a perfectly usable tone, than have a processor strapped to a power amp trying to be many heads and not really getting there.

Hi,

Im not just saying that to be snobby...

Ive had experience with Line6 Spiders and also Roland amps.
Both stopped working after little use and i thought they sounded horrible, compared to a decent amp of a similar price. ive also had a digital multieffect go wrong on me.
I've never touched digital since, (especially as im a valve amp nut).

I gave it a chance, and it let me down, so valves and SS it is! :hyper:

Wasn't calling you snobby :) I was just curious to why you've developed an aversion to digital stuff. Thanks for the input, I appreciate!