Has Gretsch been lying to us for over a decade?

[wncBass]

This isn't something that would get me all worked up. If I liked the bass I would buy it, if not I wouldn't.

 

[LBS-bass]

I have a feeling that the reason no one is seeing any pickups labeled 'Neck' is that they never existed. I think they used the same pu from the single pickup model and just added another one in the neck position. Why they are labeled 'Bridge', IDK.

I would love to see one labeled "neck" myself. Seems weird to bother with the label if the intention was never to wire them differently.

 

[user362432]

Class action lawsuit would be sweet.

 

[bolophonic]

It might. There appears to be a lot of vagueness about humbucker vs. humbucking, just like their is over what is the difference between a (vintage) Filtertron pickup and a Supertron and are these pickups wired series or parallel. Plus, we cannot ignore marketing spin. And then there is the case of the Maxon pickup, which from the top looks like a humbucker but from underneath clearly is a single coil.

My take would be that humbucker refers to what the pickup is called, while humbucking describes what it does. But I am in no one's marketing department.

This is reminding me of all the ads I see for used gear that specifies “in working condition,” which inevitably means, “broken, but could be fixed.”

 

[Glazenn]

Epiphone BHK Firebird Mini-Humbucker Neck Pickup 2012 Chrome | Reverb

 

[Gunga Din]

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Epiphone BHK Firebird Mini-Humbucker Neck Pickup 2012 Chrome | Reverb
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Those are guitar pickups.

However.....

 

[LowEndLobster]

Here's a closer look at the pickup.

https://youtube.com/shorts/2CMPRfDDWsU

 

[B-Mac]

Hey @LowEndLobster , might be a good idea to include the magnetic paper test on all your reviews for for sharts and giggles or at least basses marketed with humbuckers?

 

[mrperkolator]

Here's a closer look at the pickup.

https://youtube.com/shorts/2CMPRfDDWsU

Love this. Thanks!

 

[mrperkolator]

@LowEndLobster seriously thanks. That close up should shut up any of the "what if" crowd that is out just to defend FMIC. You could title that video "to end all denial." The lengths that some people go to in order to defend their favorite brands here on TB is nuts.

Brands used to make sense. Now mostly they're made by CNC no matter which country of origin... so they're pretty much the same except for raw material input. So I dont care what's on headstock (or "label spot" in case of EHB)

Now there's an idea.... 1st ever lobster headless conversion as a cheeky way of removing labels from G2220...

 

[LowEndLobster]

@LowEndLobster seriously thanks. That close up should shut up any of the "what if" crowd that is out just to defend FMIC. You could title that video "to end all denial." The lengths that some people go to in order to defend their favorite brands here on TB is nuts.

Brands used to make sense. Now mostly they're made by CNC no matter which country of origin... so they're pretty much the same except for raw material input. So I dont care what's on headstock (or "label spot" in case of EHB)

Now there's an idea.... 1st ever lobster headless conversion as a cheeky way of removing labels from G2220...

You should see what they're saying on the Gretsch forum. One person was typing essay long comments on the video about how the second coil could be underneath the first coil... like under the wrapping.... and how I need to unwind the pickup to check for reverse winds underneath the regular coil.... I can't imagine spending that much time adamantly defending something with 0 understanding of how it works. I had asked for an example of this 'embedded humbucker' design but got crickets (he said that the pickup I had was an example... -_-). I thought it was a troll at first, but then saw the same stuff being parroted on the Gretsch forum. Gold medal mental gymnastics here XD - Fender & Gretsch caught lying to you!

 

[mrperkolator]

You should see what they're saying on the Gretsch forum. One person was typing essay long comments on the video about how the second coil could be underneath the first coil... like under the wrapping.... and how I need to unwind the pickup to check for reverse winds underneath the regular coil.... I can't imagine spending that much time adamantly defending something with 0 understanding of how it works. I had asked for an example of this 'embedded humbucker' design but got crickets (he said that the pickup I had was an example... -_-). I thought it was a troll at first, but then saw the same stuff being parroted on the Gretsch forum. Gold medal mental gymnastics here XD - Fender & Gretsch caught lying to you!

I didn't know it was on other forums. That would make me loose my mind. understanding conductors is middle school. The only way to have an imbedded coil would to have an insulator between the two, which it clearly doesn't have.

A coil wrapped around a coil with no insulator is just one big coil. I'm not sure how that is hard to understand. These people.....

Edit: @LowEndLobster the level of Gretsch worship on that other forum is ridiculous.

 

[deff]

Lobster, next time you need to see what's in a pickup and don't want to tear it apart bring to my lab in Salem NH. Just down the road from Andover really.... We'll X-Ray it for you. You can even film it if you want.

 

[LowEndLobster]

I didn't know it was on other forums. That would make me loose my mind. understanding conductors is middle school. The only way to have an imbedded coil would to have an insulator between the two, which it clearly doesn't have.

A coil wrapped around a coil with no insulator is just one big coil. I'm not sure how that is hard to understand. These people.....

A certain Mark Twain quote comes to mind hahaha. Thank you!

 

[LowEndLobster]

Lobster, next time you need to see what's in a pickup and don't want to tear it apart bring to my lab in Salem NH. Just down the road from Andover really.... We'll X-Ray it for you. You can even film it if you want.

WOOO! I will HAVE to take you up on that at some point. Sending you a PM so I don't lose track of this.

 

[mrperkolator]

Lobster, next time you need to see what's in a pickup and don't want to tear it apart bring to my lab in Salem NH. Just down the road from Andover really.... We'll X-Ray it for you. You can even film it if you want.

He's a TB hero, stars in his eyes....

 

[skycruiser]

A coil wrapped around a coil with no insulator is just one big coil. I'm not sure how that is hard to understand. These people.....

Wrong. The wire has insulation. You don't need to add more just to delineate a separate coil.

 

[mrperkolator]

Wrong. The wire has insulation. You don't need to add more just to delineate a separate coil.

I stand by my statement. I've had to relocate INSULATED wires due to high levels of EMF causing equipment malfunction. This wasn't guitars, but electricity is electricity and the same formulas apply.

Edit: I deleted part that was wrong. Not because I'm trying to hide it, but because I dont want to get corrected for the next 15 pages...

 

[deff]

He's a TB hero, stars in his eyes....

I've done this for other folks here. I just don't advertise. We X-Ray another members telecaster neck and at some point Once some of our new equipment is in we're going to do a study using 3D EBSD for grain deformation on bass strings as a marketing piece.

 

[deff]

I've only seen coils made with bare wire. And even if they had some faint hint of insulation on the wire, the chances of it bleeding EMF over to the other coil without a proper insulator is high. I stand by my statement. I've had to relocate INSULATED wires due to high levels of EMF causing equipment malfunction. This wasn't guitars, but electricity is electricity and the same formulas apply.

Do you mean from the leads or the wire inside the coil? I would think there was a dielectric coating like formvar that you can't see, otherwise, you'd short the coil.