Idk if I have aspergers, I just know I always say things that I think are awesome and insightful and I confuse everyone.....
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HAve you ever noticed someone to have aspergers?
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Intelligence isn't one of those popular things. Makes it hard for you to be an obedient member of the workforce
Is there a way to identify whether a person may have Aspergers or if it is just part of a person's general personality?
I'd hate to have negative thoughts if a person medically cannot avoid comments that might otherwise be considered to be inconsiderate.
I'd hate to have negative thoughts if a person medically cannot avoid comments that might otherwise be considered to be inconsiderate.
+1
I know a few people who, to me, fit the bill, but I dont think theyve ever been officially diagnosed.
An interesting tidbit - the diagnosis of "Asperger's syndrome" is about to be abandoned in the clinical world in favor of "on the autism spectrum"
Yes. Psychologists do it all the time but it's a rather extensive evaluation.
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Yes. Psychologists do it all the time but it's a rather extensive evaluation.
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Interesting comments. I actually think about this quite a bit. My youngest son is PDD NOS. My oldest son was ADHD, but I suspect that he should have been diagnosed as bipolar. In any case, you learn more from reading up and you learn from being around these people. Eventually you see may see subtle traits in yourself and in others. At some point it becomes clear that what constitutes a diagnosis is having the consistancy of these traits such that you cross a threshhold. Looking back at my childhood, I now recognize that some of my friends would be considered aspergers if they were kids today. Regarding myself, I am not really a great communicator to this day. I find some social situations to be mentally exhausting. Ever see the movie called "As Good As It Gets"? There are days when I feel like that guy.
Mr. Tolerance, once you realize that many of us have a little bit of aspergers in us, you might find it easier to live up to your name. OK, that was a "clever" comment on my part, but what I mean is, if you can raise your level of tolerance for someone with a diagnosis, it's not that far of a stretch to reason that other people also have their limitations. Not that I am the model of patience (actually I am the farthest from it), but it was something that I tried to learn from this experience.
The threshold deal really is a big thing.
I'm kinda forever trapped in the middle. It's real confusing because you never know when you appear to be normal, or when you appear to be different. Worst yet you never know when people will hold it against you.
It's like your always sliding through parallel dimensions, where one minute you appear intelligent the next a raving lunatic.
I'm kinda forever trapped in the middle. It's real confusing because you never know when you appear to be normal, or when you appear to be different. Worst yet you never know when people will hold it against you.
It's like your always sliding through parallel dimensions, where one minute you appear intelligent the next a raving lunatic.
IME, it's what you do with what you have, that matters.
I have a friend who has an official diagnosis, yet he's had a successful career as a pastor.
My wife wasn't diagnosed with ADD until she was in her mid-30's. when she asked about treatment, the doc who diagnosed our son said, "For what? You've already successfully adapted to your condition."
I have a friend who has an official diagnosis, yet he's had a successful career as a pastor.
My wife wasn't diagnosed with ADD until she was in her mid-30's. when she asked about treatment, the doc who diagnosed our son said, "For what? You've already successfully adapted to your condition."
Intelligence isnt'......
Yeah , absolutely I'm not an obedient member of the work force. They even stopped my tax credits for being someone who 'works in hope not in expectation'. Funny how they expect a yearly tax return tho'.
I guess being a musician in the uk is not 'realwork'. Whatever, I scrape a living without having to be obedient to some unethical business model.
On a seperate note.... I wonder wether gear aquisition syndrome is a manifestation of autistic tendencies? That would mean that most of us on talkbass were suspect lol.
Yeah , absolutely I'm not an obedient member of the work force. They even stopped my tax credits for being someone who 'works in hope not in expectation'. Funny how they expect a yearly tax return tho'.
I guess being a musician in the uk is not 'realwork'. Whatever, I scrape a living without having to be obedient to some unethical business model.
On a seperate note.... I wonder wether gear aquisition syndrome is a manifestation of autistic tendencies? That would mean that most of us on talkbass were suspect lol.
I thought the Poles cracked the code originally with the British cracking later variations?
I have two sons with PDD NOS which is a "kinda sorta" autistic-like condition. (It's considered to be within the autistic spectrum but lacks some of the key behavioral traits that one might see in autistic individuals). I'm convinced that I have something similar though back when I was in school, you just got punished for behavior like that..
According to Wiki, the Polish Cipher Bureau broke the Enigma ciphers in December of 1932.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma_machine
If you had a tendency to blurt out comments and answers in school or just didn't pay attention to many topics because you just weren't interested, I'm pretty sure I know what you went through. Some of our teachers would make us stand out in the hall if we were too disruptive.
I had to spend quite a lot of time standing in the corridor with my nose pressed against the wall. I guess it saved me from at least some of the misinformation and distorted historical 'truths'.
The cryptanalysts at Bletchley Park deserve credit for their constant effort in countering the German amendments to their procedures and for dealing with events such as the arrival of the four wheel, naval, enigma machine. There were many attempts to capture machines and codebooks as the codebooks were key to keeping the information flowing. Several subs were captured.
The American navy did capture a sub, U505, in 1944. They believed that they were the first to do so. Not out of any fault of their own but due to not being privvy to the fact that the British were breaking the enigma coded messages.
I believe that sub is still in the naval yard at Portsmouth Virginia. So despite the Hollywood version being dubious in it's historical accuracy it was at least based upon something heroic.
The fact that most history books forget the Polish contribution is shameful. I wonder though wether some of this at least may be down to the fact that until recently much of the ww2 records were protected under secrecy laws. At least in the Uk.
A good example of this is how all the history books on the Battle Of Britain talk about the English radar being superior to the German equivalent in that we could calculate height of incoming aircraft. It appears now that this was incorrect and that that the altitudes given to the fighters were derived from the observers on the ground.
Hopefully someone will put the record straight or at least straighter.
The cryptanalysts at Bletchley Park deserve credit for their constant effort in countering the German amendments to their procedures and for dealing with events such as the arrival of the four wheel, naval, enigma machine. There were many attempts to capture machines and codebooks as the codebooks were key to keeping the information flowing. Several subs were captured.
The American navy did capture a sub, U505, in 1944. They believed that they were the first to do so. Not out of any fault of their own but due to not being privvy to the fact that the British were breaking the enigma coded messages.
I believe that sub is still in the naval yard at Portsmouth Virginia. So despite the Hollywood version being dubious in it's historical accuracy it was at least based upon something heroic.
The fact that most history books forget the Polish contribution is shameful. I wonder though wether some of this at least may be down to the fact that until recently much of the ww2 records were protected under secrecy laws. At least in the Uk.
A good example of this is how all the history books on the Battle Of Britain talk about the English radar being superior to the German equivalent in that we could calculate height of incoming aircraft. It appears now that this was incorrect and that that the altitudes given to the fighters were derived from the observers on the ground.
Hopefully someone will put the record straight or at least straighter.
I think my young niece may have Aspergers, mildly. She is crazy intelligent, reads at a level several grades above her age, is extremely creative and unusually gifted musically. She can also be a bit of a pill in the behavior department and does not handle challenging or unfamiliar social situations well at all. A couple of years ago her mom started home schooling her and that has helped her a LOT.
Every now and then I witness a tantrum and those can be pretty painful but mostly she's sweet as peaches.
Every now and then I witness a tantrum and those can be pretty painful but mostly she's sweet as peaches.
I wonder wether autistic people are sometimes challenging because they are so intelligent, or at least 'focussed' , that they get impatient with distractions and stuff they find irrelevant to the point of their interest and just see a lot of social behaviour as small talk thus making them appear to everyone else to lack social skills and perhaps empathy?
Could this be why some of my musician friends are most creative at night when there are no distractions like the phone ringing etc. and perhaps why some people say that drugs help the creative process. Maybe the drugs are simply shutting out the ' interference' from the usual mental processes and thoughts which distract them from the more , I'm not sure of the word..... ? Just letting the music flow.
What I'm trying to say is that most people seem to agree, judging by the responses to another thread running here on TB, that they are NOT thinking when playing.
I wonder wether anyone else here appears 'unapproachable' and somewhat distant to their partners as they prepare to play? I sometimes find it hard to reconnect after I have played too. Even when playing at home. You know, someone asks you a question and you have a job getting your head around even something simple for a moment. Basically being ' high' on the music or of being 'lost in it'.
Perhaps our survival depends on autistic people in some way even though we find them to be difficult at times. like we need social psychopaths despite the problems they cause because ultimately they have a beneficial role in the greater scheme of things.
social psychopaths apparently run a lot large organisations and maybe their lack of empathy and ruthlessness, as I see it, is a simply a necessary evil to get the job done.
Perhaps the autistic but intelligent people that give us scientific discoveries and break complex codes like Alan Turing are just as essential to us and come into their own in certain situations and circumstances.
I know that I am struggling to explain what I am thinking and I am not saying that Autistic people are ruthless social psycopaths but simply (probably too simply lol) that genius is ,like it is often said to be, close to 'madness'. ' madness being a vague term for extremes of behaviour which the 'normal' majority neither understand nor have the need to understand.
As someone here said we all show traits of behaviour asociated with mental illness to a degree. How we define a mental illness is an extremely complex issue which involves moral, political, religious, sociological and philosophical debate.
How do we decide where the line between mental illness and 'normal' behaviour should be drawn? Is it that we accept some behaviour because it is clearly worth the compromise to do so and yet reach a consensus about other behaviour which is dangerous to deal with in any form and then make every attempt to stamp out.
Who decides?
I dont see autism as a learning disability or a mental illness but it is certainly unusual in it's most extreme form.
I suspect that that is down to something lacking in me rather than in them.
Could this be why some of my musician friends are most creative at night when there are no distractions like the phone ringing etc. and perhaps why some people say that drugs help the creative process. Maybe the drugs are simply shutting out the ' interference' from the usual mental processes and thoughts which distract them from the more , I'm not sure of the word..... ? Just letting the music flow.
What I'm trying to say is that most people seem to agree, judging by the responses to another thread running here on TB, that they are NOT thinking when playing.
I wonder wether anyone else here appears 'unapproachable' and somewhat distant to their partners as they prepare to play? I sometimes find it hard to reconnect after I have played too. Even when playing at home. You know, someone asks you a question and you have a job getting your head around even something simple for a moment. Basically being ' high' on the music or of being 'lost in it'.
Perhaps our survival depends on autistic people in some way even though we find them to be difficult at times. like we need social psychopaths despite the problems they cause because ultimately they have a beneficial role in the greater scheme of things.
social psychopaths apparently run a lot large organisations and maybe their lack of empathy and ruthlessness, as I see it, is a simply a necessary evil to get the job done.
Perhaps the autistic but intelligent people that give us scientific discoveries and break complex codes like Alan Turing are just as essential to us and come into their own in certain situations and circumstances.
I know that I am struggling to explain what I am thinking and I am not saying that Autistic people are ruthless social psycopaths but simply (probably too simply lol) that genius is ,like it is often said to be, close to 'madness'. ' madness being a vague term for extremes of behaviour which the 'normal' majority neither understand nor have the need to understand.
As someone here said we all show traits of behaviour asociated with mental illness to a degree. How we define a mental illness is an extremely complex issue which involves moral, political, religious, sociological and philosophical debate.
How do we decide where the line between mental illness and 'normal' behaviour should be drawn? Is it that we accept some behaviour because it is clearly worth the compromise to do so and yet reach a consensus about other behaviour which is dangerous to deal with in any form and then make every attempt to stamp out.
Who decides?
I dont see autism as a learning disability or a mental illness but it is certainly unusual in it's most extreme form.
I suspect that that is down to something lacking in me rather than in them.
Meh the problem with avoiding comments is that it in a sense has nothing to do with the actual disorder.
The problem is either one of two things.
Person, takes no accountability for what they say. And say things that truly shouldn't be said.
Or which is just as common is that people react to things unfairly. Basically attacking a persons honesty.
When there is a consistent line between what one shouldn't or should say, people with aspergers will respect it. However when the line is ever changing, and people take it as a right to not have their feelings hurt, chaos will ensue.
Again this is where alot of my frustration with the disorder starts. It's like being a blind person that memorizes the layout of entire hospital. We can adapt but when there's a group of people constantly moving the walls of the building it's impossible.
You have no idea the frustration ones when a thing like honesty is considered a medical condition.
My daughter who is now 11 yo has Aspergers Syndrome, and this is her to a tee. And since it wasnt formerly diagnosed until 1992, Im sure many of us carry several of the traits. I wouldnt change her for the world!
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I've encountered people I've suspected may have it, but I've never been [del]rude[/del] bold enough to ask them if they have been diagnosed with it. I figure it doesn't alter my relationship with them if I know for certain or not, so why risk insulting them?
On Skype? What do you guys do? Get together and talk about things that no one else finds interesting?
