Headrush 2000 watt 8"

[Nebadon2000]

A 3watt Car AM radio can sound 'Loud' to your ears[perceived] it's the distortion that assaults' your ears and
prompts you to turn it down.

I had friends who wanted to show me their 1000 watt $99 Stereo Receiver; they would crank it up for a few seconds then turn it down; 'Because it hurt their ears' SPL was maybe in mid 70's

A good Amp/Speaker combo will be comfortable to your senses at much higher SPL without actually sounding to loud

There is definitely a difference between Actually loud and annoying as to be perceived as loud

In this case #agedhorse has been politely recommending common sense and some logic is needed.

I would look at ponying up for maybe a QSC K series or for under $500 a used light weight Combo[as some have suggested IE; Markbass, Rumble or Ampeg Rocket if you don't need FRFR.

 

[baxter_x]

The physical limitations for bass are very real

Is over excursion the main one?

 

[BassBrass]

The OP was trying to use it for bass, metal genre. VERY different application, an other of magnitude different needs.

what If you biamped it to only reproduce metal Clank, and it was elivated and aimed at your head?

 

[InhumanResource]

I just bought the HR 8" 2000 watt monitor. I was using an Ampeg BA-210 combo but was getting tired of carrying that heavy thing around and everywhere we play we have a PA. Our guitarist has a HR 12" and loves it. I thought I was getting a 12" but made a mistake. Thinking about sending it back. I haven't rehearsed with it yet... just got it today.

We play metal... anyone using it at gigs for monitoring? Should I send it back? It's loud in my office, but it's not a stage. We also don't use in-ears. We have them, but always have a hard time dialing them in (we can't afford a rack mount to dial in our ears before a gig)

Thoughts? Think it'll be loud enough?

Nope. I tried one with a mostly ampless cover band and it wasn’t nearly enough.

 

[InhumanResource]

Powered bass cabs would be nice. Tech21 used to have such a thing since they assumed everyone had their tone on their pedalboard (I do a lot of the time also). Must have either not worked well or just not a good market for it.

my guess is a headrush-like device with enough oomph for bass would be significantly larger and heavier and thus not much advantage over other choices.

I went down this path and it turns out the device is a bass amp

 

[shwashwa]

slight change of topic, but i notice there is a spot for a pole mount in the bottom, correct? i'm wondering how this would work for upright bass in a quartet with a heavy handed drummer (not metal loud though). i've been looking at the qsc stuff, but this is way less expensive...
also, how would it work as a speaker to listen to tunes on from my phone?

 

[el murdoque]

slight change of topic, but i notice there is a spot for a pole mount in the bottom, correct? i'm wondering how this would work for upright bass in a quartet with a heavy handed drummer (not metal loud though). i've been looking at the qsc stuff, but this is way less expensive...
also, how would it work as a speaker to listen to tunes on from my phone?

I can't comment on upright from first hand experience, but my educated guess is that when you mount it on a pole and let it shine in your face, you might be able to hear enough of yourself to get by, but I'd not really say you can bask in the glory of your impeccable playing - it'd much rather be a tool to check if your pitch is correct.

It does work with a phone, though.

 

[agedhorse]

What I REALLY like about these specs is that the thing is able to produce a continuous output of 1000W,
with a PSU that can take in up to 800W.

That PSU has an efficiency rating of at least 125%.

I need one of those for my perpetual motion machine.

That’s not how power input is stated. It’s just required to be stated at a minimum of 1/8-rated RMS power (or greater at the manufacturer’s option). This is to account for the dynamics of music.

Is over excursion the main one?

It’s the tradeoff between excursion (axial displacement) and sensitivity. Axial displacement x cone area defines the LF performance but there is a tradeoff between sensitivity and axial displacement so there becomes a point of diminishing returns. This isn’t even considering the tradeoff between axial displacement and mid voicing.

what If you biamped it to only reproduce metal Clank, and it was elivated and aimed at your head?

That would help, certainly.

slight change of topic, but i notice there is a spot for a pole mount in the bottom, correct? i'm wondering how this would work for upright bass in a quartet with a heavy handed drummer (not metal loud though). i've been looking at the qsc stuff, but this is way less expensive...
also, how would it work as a speaker to listen to tunes on from my phone?

Maybe, but my experience suggests that you would be much better with the 12” model over the long run.

 

[el murdoque]

That’s not how power input is stated. It’s just required to be stated at a minimum of 1/8-rated RMS power (or greater at the manufacturer’s option). This is to account for the dynamics of music.

I would have thought that continuous power means how much output an amp can put out ... continuously.

 

[agedhorse]

I would have thought that continuous power means how much output an amp can put out ... continuously.

That’s not what power input is based on however.

 

[shwashwa]

That’s not how power input is stated. It’s just required to be stated at a minimum of 1/8-rated RMS power (or greater at the manufacturer’s option). This is to account for the dynamics of music.



It’s the tradeoff between excursion (axial displacement) and sensitivity. Axial displacement x cone area defines the LF performance but there is a tradeoff between sensitivity and axial displacement so there becomes a point of diminishing returns. This isn’t even considering the tradeoff between axial displacement and mid voicing.



That would help, certainly.


Maybe, but my experience suggests that you would be much better with the 12” model over the long run.

i should clarify, i was talking about the 12 model but i didnt state it in my post. so how do we think the 12 would be with upright bass?

 

[mikewalker]

i should clarify, i was talking about the 12 model but i didnt state it in my post. so how do we think the 12 would be with upright bass?

That would depend on what you normally can get by with for amplification ( you said "loud"...)

 

[Wasnex]

From what I know these are basically an Alto TS408 pa speaker. They claim very similar specs to the Headrush in a Behringer style way..... that is, very overblown to try and convince those that know nothing about speakers that they are really powerful.

I wouldn't trust two TS408's as FOH for an acoustic duo to produce decent full sound. I certainly wouldn't use one as a bass amp except for quiet practice or with a couple of acoustic guitars and a cajon...... and definitely not for metal with even the most restrained electric guitarist and drummer.

There is supposedly some difference between the Alto 112 and HeadRush 112. From what I remember the Alto has a mic pre and the HeadRush does not. This results in a slight difference the voicing. I assume the same difference applies to the respective 108s.

 

[Tommy Sparks]

2000 watts…….

 

[Rip Van Dan]

I tried it with electric guitar and it was quite good for guitar.

And how was it with your bass?

Makes no difference how it works on guitar. Guitar and bass are totally different animals because guitar doesn't use bass frequencies and that's what you'd be feeding it. I can take a very expensive Marshall 4x12 cabinet with Celestion 30-watt speakers, run my bass through it, and totally tear the speakers apart...literally. But man do they sound great with guitar!

 

[agedhorse]

i should clarify, i was talking about the 12 model but i didnt state it in my post. so how do we think the 12 would be with upright bass?

Depends on your needs and expectations.

 

[DaveParker39]

I just bought the HR 8" 2000 watt monitor. I was using an Ampeg BA-210 combo but was getting tired of carrying that heavy thing around and everywhere we play we have a PA. Our guitarist has a HR 12" and loves it. I thought I was getting a 12" but made a mistake. Thinking about sending it back. I haven't rehearsed with it yet... just got it today.

We play metal... anyone using it at gigs for monitoring? Should I send it back? It's loud in my office, but it's not a stage. We also don't use in-ears. We have them, but always have a hard time dialing them in (we can't afford a rack mount to dial in our ears before a gig)

Thoughts? Think it'll be loud enough?

Short answer... not a chance.

Long answer: I have a headrush FRFR and I love it, I use it with my AxeFX for both guitar and bass, and also sometimes with various DI signals... but only for solo practice. It has enough power to give me what I need in a bedroom volume capacity. I can't imagine it competing with a drumset.

I will say, I do think it sounds *good* with bass, but again, only at bedroom/solo practice volume.

 

[fdeck]

i should clarify, i was talking about the 12 model but i didnt state it in my post. so how do we think the 12 would be with upright bass?

Power levels for upright tend to be lower... for one thing there's no point trying to raise the volume above the feedback threshold, which is different for every bass, pickup, etc. I would expect a reasonably performant 12"er to be ample for upright. I've played virtually all of my upright gigs over the past few years on a 1x8 powered by a GK MB200 head, but it's a homemade speaker with a high quality woofer, working under the stern supervision of a HPF.

 

[Killing Floor]

Maybe the manufacturer has figured out a way to repeal the laws of physics?

Suggestion of Physics

 

[klattman]

And how was it with your bass?

Makes no difference how it works on guitar. Guitar and bass are totally different animals because guitar doesn't use bass frequencies and that's what you'd be feeding it. I can take a very expensive Marshall 4x12 cabinet with Celestion 30-watt speakers, run my bass through it, and totally tear the speakers apart...literally. But man do they sound great with guitar!

I reported my testing earlier in this thread. No good at all for bass.