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Hearing Loss and Ear Plugs

Has anyone ever tried the tinnitus "drops" for their ears? I know it doesn't restore your hearing, but does it help the ringing?

Amazon.com: NaturalCare Ringstop Ear Drops, 0.5-Ounce: Health & Personal Care

...when my tinnitus (T) 1st reared its challenging bilateral head, I tried everything that wasn't downright toxic, Georynn. And the predatory snake-oil salescreeps love that desperation. Ringstop was one of the "treatments" I tried, even though I knew that the eardrum is impermeable to the stuff. What it did, though, was distract me from my T, because of the burning sensation it left in my ear canals. There are safer ways to obtain said distraction. Please try them. Don't hand over your hard-earned money to people who know very well that they're fooling you & countless others.
 
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...when my tinnitus (T) 1st reared its challenging bilateral head, I tried everything that wasn't downright toxic, Georynn. And the predatory snake-oil salescreeps love that desperation. Ringstop was one of the "treatments" I tried, even though I knew that the eardrum is impermeable to the stuff. What it did, though, was distract me from my T, because of the burning sensation it left in my ear canals. There are safer ways to obtain said distraction. Please try them. Don't hand over your hard-earned money to people who know very well that they're fooling you & countless others.

They make it in a Gum form as well... anyone tried that stuff? I think it's called Quietess or Quietus... or something like that.

I've had some tinnitus for years from practicing without hearing protection when I was young and dumb... always been curious as to whether this stuff does anything at all...
 
They make it in a Gum form as well... anyone tried that stuff? I think it's called Quietess or Quietus... or something like that.

I've had some tinnitus for years from practicing without hearing protection when I was young and dumb... always been curious as to whether this stuff does anything at all...

It's a racket: Customers report unaswered queries; consensus, according to what I've read online (yeah, I still check), is that these are not honest people & the stuff's useless.
 
You all know the adage, If it's too good to be true, it probably isn't true, right? Well, with T rackets, that come in the form of "clinically tested" (funny: they never provide refs for the clinical tests, huh) pills, drops, magnets, powders, you-name-them, the adage is 100% correct.

Desperation makes us hope that, maybe, just maybe, there's something to the "treatments" we find online when you put "tinnitus" in the Google search. Because, wow, they pop up in the tens, the hundreds, with the "good" ones usually on the side, where every click costs the advertiser. I won't tell you whether to click over-&-over to make them pay. Do what thou wilt.

Sadly, it amounts to this: If there was an even remotely-helpful ingestible, say, treatment for tinnitus, it would be widely used. Don't let the e-robbers make you feel like you came upon something rare that nobody knows about.

Billions of dollars are being spent worldwide in basic & applied research to address both tinnitus & hearing-loss. This is good news: If you've got a medical problem, it's great to have one that "warrants" attention because of the sheer epidemic numbers of those suffering from it.

And if Ringstop or T-Gone or the "proven to work by research in the Mid-West [sic] in the 1950s [!]" or s/t like that wanna-be treatments did a single thing to help you, your ENT depts would be all over those "healers," procuring supplies for their patients, attempting to collaborate in those "clinical trials" in order to make the magic stuff even better.

Instead, we are all warned to stay away from that junk, as dashed hopes can be worse for our mental-health than realistic expectations. Some conspiracy "theorists," usually people on the payrolls of those fly-by-night Cos, posit that it's all a plot: "Big Pharma" doesn't want tinnitus sufferers to get wind of these great cure/treatments, because they all use "natural" ingredients [fear-mongering is a "natural ingredient," too] so there's no potential money in it for the big drug Cos.

Nonsense. Snake venom's natural. Many medications that are FDA-approved in the US (starting w/the "lowly" wonder-drug Aspirin) are developed either from natural substances, or based on the operation of natural chemical processes studied in fly-by-day labs.

Also, there already are evidence-based treatments for tinnitus! The simplest is masking; it does a great job for many, & there are plenty of masking-devices to be had. Some of the simplest are right there in your room: Your computer speakers, though not attachable to your ears, can play soft hi-fidelity music that masks your T, if you don't have significant hearing-loss. Then, there's TRT, which is very involved, but it's backed by years of scientific research in medicine, neuroscience, psychology, audiology, & applied-trials. It works for some. Cognitive-behavioral therapy works wonderfully for a subset of people who become extremely depressed, anxious, & distracted by their T. And there are numerous relaxation-techniques that are research-based & help you calm down, automatically (usually) bringing down the perceived amplitude of your T. And if none of this works, some practitioners recommend that you consult with a non pill-pushing, ethical psychopharmacologist. Some antidepressants help some T-sufferers cope, particularly those who suffer from major-depression directly connected to their desperation over the incessant noise.

No, none of the evidence-based treatments "cure" T, but they help you cope; sometimes, they even enable you to be unaware of your T most of the time. Okay? They don't bring about "cures," but so what?! How many of us suffer from chronic conditions that are, in medical parlance, managed very well in various ways?! Diabetes, COPD, etc....no cure, but treatments that help--they're available.

As I type, scary-smart, sleep-deprived scientists, backed by mega-grants, are studying the auditory cortices of T-sufferers vs "controls" (those w/o it) using state-of-the art equipment. They're finding where the T's firing in our brains, folks! Some experimental drugs are already being tested; the jury's out as to whether they "tone down" the hyperactive areas of the T-sufferer's brain, but this is significant progress! A couple of decades ago, the CW in healthcare was that "tinnitus is in the inner-ear." Nope. I stand in awe as neuroscientists map the brain. Help may be at hand soon'ish!

In sum, there's help, & there's hope. Please use your T-reserved money to pay for honest treatments & let the thieves starve or find new rackets.
 
The only regret I have in regards to hearing protection (plugs, avoiding noise, etc) is not taking it seriously sooner. The inconveniences of it don't cross my mind.

"Nothing could touch me" when I was playing gigs in my 20s. This was particularly true b/c I conveniently avoided any literature or advice that strongly suggested that plenty could touch me. But I'd made it unscathed through combat service, or so I thought (the T was already brewing), so, well, I felt stronger than Kevlar.

Look, for many of us, just making it past young-adulthood is miraculous, considering various, oh, lifestyle choices.

So when the T starts bugging me on a bad day, I remind myself that I did plenty of things that could've downright killed, dismembered, or chronically sickened me. If that warm, fuzzy reminder doesn't work, I jolt myself with recollections of many "near-misses" in combat: Yes, bullets whistle when they fly by your ear/s. I find that staying busy--just not hyperactive--doing things I consider useful cheers me up.

And that makes me feel grateful that even a formerly very silly but nice kid like me survived his very extended adolescence. I survived with a "souvenir" I'd happily give to the next T-con I Google. Still, said momento reminds me that I made it by a slim margin. A few of my old buddies were not that lucky.

IDK about you, but I took every risk in the book. I find that my being amazed to be alive and really well offsets the T...most of the time. And, I admit, it took me a significant amount of time to figure that out.
 
If it's too loud, you're too old.

Wimps.


As someone who has $4500 worth of hearing aids in my head, if you honestly subscribe to this thought process....I hope you're joking or your a effing moron.......


(BTW- my hearing loss is from an illness, not loud music/noise directly).
 
As someone who has $4500 worth of hearing aids in my head, if you honestly subscribe to this thought process....I hope you're joking or your a effing moron.......
(BTW- my hearing loss is from an illness, not loud music/noise directly).

I think a little troll called "Teel" visited our board, because there hasn't been a peep of protest from the tough-online poster, & I really was expecting a little bit of teen spirit in reply to my posting. But, then, never trust a/o over 30, eh? :rolleyes:
 
You need to see an ENT: You may have significant wax-impaction & little if any sensorineural hearing-loss...or perhaps you've got a correctible middle-ear condition...who knows? When was the last time a hearing-professional took a look? I know it's scary to get tested when you expect bad news, but if you're going to keep playing, you deserve to know where you stand. You obviously can still hear, so whatever your audiogram looks like, hearing-protection will help conserve the status-quo. Good luck.
tbh i last had hearing tests when i was about 6 but i think u maybe right bout earwax build up,think ill go check it out.
 
Just had another visit to my ENT Doctor last week. After another hearing test I was told that I have moderate hearing damage and I'm a candidate for hearing aides.

That is NOT what a lifelong musician, who makes his living in music wants to hear!
Apparently most of my hearing loss is in the treble range. That makes it a little tougher to hear kids voices while I'm at work as an elementary music teacher.

I've been faithfully wearing my custom molded earplugs for a few years now, and I plan on wearing them for as long as I'm able to keep gigging. I have no doubt they have helped me to keep from getting further damage.

If you're reading this and aren't sure if you should be wearing ear protection, please err on the side of caution, you'll be glad you did. The doctor told me that my hearing loss is no doubt due to things I'd done years earlier. You can't go back and regain that hearing loss, it's gone baby. So take care of what you've got and it'll take care of you.

Just my $0.2 worth.
 
I am a working Bassist, have been playing for 22 years and have mostly worked in the genera of Hard rock, Metal, Grunge, Hardcore, Punk, and industrial. Now as an aging bassist I am on a steady diet of indie/alternative. I have been loathe to wearing ear plugs as a five string player, feeling that the intricacies of tone, especially at the lower frequency end of the spectrum are lost. However, now when I return home after working I am shouting to hear myself when conversing with my wife, and when playing live the guitarists complain they cannot hear themselves over the bass. To me, it seems like I am just barely cutting through the mix (though I suppose this volume war has been waged since the beginning of time with our six string brethren). I am now looking for a custom pair of ear plugs that will reduce overall decibel levels while still allowing the majority of the lower frequency through.
 
4stringsolution said:
I am a working Bassist, have been playing for 22 years and have mostly worked in the genera of Hard rock, Metal, Grunge, Hardcore, Punk, and industrial. Now as an aging bassist I am on a steady diet of indie/alternative. I have been loathe to wearing ear plugs as a five string player, feeling that the intricacies of tone, especially at the lower frequency end of the spectrum are lost. However, now when I return home after working I am shouting to hear myself when conversing with my wife, and when playing live the guitarists complain they cannot hear themselves over the bass. To me, it seems like I am just barely cutting through the mix (though I suppose this volume war has been waged since the beginning of time with our six string brethren). I am now looking for a custom pair of ear plugs that will reduce overall decibel levels while still allowing the majority of the lower frequency through.

An Audiologist can fit you for custom earplugs. They are worth every penny. They are very comfortable and it seems to me that the full range of frequencies are still coming through, just at a lower volume.
I feel like getting my custom "musician" earplugs, as my ENT doctor calls them, was one of my best decisions as a working musician. I highly recommend them. They can be fitted with different filters to increase or decrease the amount of decibels being cut. I've found that the 9 db filter works best for me, but they originally came with 15 db filters. That made me feel like I was playing in a different room from the rest of the band.

Good luck to you, I hope you are able to find something that works for you.
 
Damn, this thread has scared the **** out of me! And I'm only starting to jam with my band.:eek:

Maybe I should get those earplugs once I get rid of my five stringer. How much would a pair of custom earplugs cost, ballpark?

Get them NOW.

I'm always surprised when people say that 180 euros is a lot of money for custom earplugs.

I then ask them if they'd pay a 180 euros to prevent their right index finger from being amputated. The answer tends to be yes...
 
There should laws (and strict enforcement) prohibiting clubs and concert venues from having sound pressure levels above the threshold of hearing damage (80 db?) in any area of the premises at any time. Severe, and would totally change the culture, but kids at shows just don't wear plugs, even if they are given free at the door, and they need to be protected. Adults too, of course. I often play outdoor shows and see parents dancing a few feet from the mains with a toddler in their arms. Insanity.

Speaking of loud, did you go to the Daughtry concert on Wednesday night?
Like an idiot, I forgot to bring earplugs with me. The sound in the Sullivan Area is ultra shrill at EVERY concert I've gone to there! My ears were ringing for 2 days (literally).
 
carlthegroover said:
Just another thing. How do custom earplugs and earplugs out of a shelf compare? Is it really that much a difference?

The custom plugs are a much better fit(obviously), and give an even cut across frequency range. The ones off the shelf will cut db, but you tend to get that "muffled" sound. I've noticed with my custom plugs that I can hear things more clearly because some of the ambient "white noise" is removed.
I'm no expert, these are just my personal observations.