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Hearing Loss and Ear Plugs

A thread like this is long overdo. Too bad it's too late for most people to heed your advice.. I use ear plugs whether I can. Unfortunatley, I lost mine so my ears didn't feel so good after last week's jam session... they finally feel better, but this is almost a week later...

I went to a Incubus concert recently, and I probably was the only one wearing earplugs that night. It's a shame that so many people are so uninformed...

Sean
 
CrazySean said:
A thread like this is long overdo. Too bad it's too late for most people to heed your advice.. I use ear plugs whether I can. Unfortunatley, I lost mine so my ears didn't feel so good after last week's jam session... they finally feel better, but this is almost a week later...

I went to a Incubus concert recently, and I probably was the only one wearing earplugs that night. It's a shame that so many people are so uninformed...

Sean

A few months ago, I had a custom pair made. (Westone ES49 w/ 15db filters.) I've been using them regularly.

I just spent the last week working stage crew at a major outdoor Christian music festival. That was four days, working onstage for 6 - 9 hours a day. I had the plugs in almost the whole time. They were very comfortable and no ear fatigue.

I can't imagine how I would feel now if I hadn't had earplugs.
 
At practice and at gigs one of the very first things I do is put in my earplugs (custom molds). I have the 25s and even still, standing next to a loud drummer for long sets will leave my ears not quite ringing, but definitely fatigued. I believe that the shape of my ear canal may have changed some over time and I have not had them redone yet (it costs the same to redo as the initial cost). I also sometimes use a 25-30 dB foam plug in one ear (closest to drummer) and the molded in my other ear and this works fairly well for me. To those who say just turn down, I say you're fooling yourselves. Drums and cymbals by themselves are loud and can damage your hearing. Throw in a guitar or a few horns and you need ear plugs. Remember that a lot of symphony musicians where custom molded earplugs. If you are not ready to shell out the $100-$200 for custom, contact Mike Dimin ASAP and get some through him. Although I didn't get mine through Mike, I can still recognize a really good deal when I see one. To play in any sort of band and not have earplugs at least available is a risk no musician should ever take.
 
Such a great topic!

My first experience with ringing in the ears was after the Joe Cocker (Mad Dogs and Englishmen Tour) concert I saw. After that I was more aware of loud volumes and what it could do.

In bands later on, I never use ear protection (as a guitarist - I play both) because of the lower volumes. I'd still get the occassional 'eyeball shoved sideways' experience but it was usually caused by cymbal crash or just about anything done with a pang, which was real popular for awhile.

Later on, in a houseband situation (again as a guitarist) I began to notice the ringing. We didn't play very loud, and the sets were typical 45 on 15 off, but it was there. I bought a pair of the pink ribbed things but gave up with them after just a few songs. They hurt my ears. The problem still was not solved until one night after washing and drying my hands before a set. I had a semi-damp sheet of that brownish paper towel in my hands and decided to just give it a try. I broke off a couple of corners, formed them into little cones and stuffed them in my ears. I can't recommend it because of the slight dampness being introduced into the ear canal, but I gave it a try.

I found that the little cones formed themselves to the shape of my ear and dried quickly in that shape. It felt like there was nothing in there at all. The interesting thing was though, that at first everything was muffled. At the end of the set it seemed I could hear everything as clear as crystal. It reminded me of something someone once told me about the ear having this incredible dynamic range -- going from being able to hear a mosquito, all the way to hearing thunder and not being too damaged. Great headroom in other words. I thought about it and realized that when the earplugs were in, it was almost as if my ears 'turned up' in sensitivity to compensate. I could hear conversations, the audience, my band members -- like I said, it was like not having them in there at all.

And when I'd remove them after the set it was like everything was 'too' clear, too crisp and defined. Like being underwater and then breaking the surface and you hear the crispness of the sound of the waves and whatever.

I took to using these kinds of improv'd plug constantly. I'm subject to head colds and sinus problems but never had any that were caused by the slightly damp plugs.

One other benefit of wearing earplugs - at least to me - was more psychological. See, I'm not a very 'loud' person. I never fit the typical 'rock guitarist' profile. I was always scared of playing too loud and having a too upfront sort of sound. It made me really self conscious and really made my playing unsure at times. I mean, when we practice with records, we get used to playing softly so we can hear the record, and on stage it's a completely different mix Standing on a stage with your stack behind you sort of singles out your own sound obviously, and I'd turn down to try and match the volume of the others. We didn't have side-fills and didn't have anything but vocals in the floor monitors. I'd wind up playing too softly, though the PA guy could make it sound even off stage.

But with the plugs in and my amp turned up, it brought my own sound down to a level that I could feel confident with. I mean, at least to me, I'd almost rather not hear what I'm doing - or hear it just slightly above the rest of the sound - so I can feel more confident about things. If there's a mistake, when it's loud in your ear, it sorta stings you for a moment; you go 'damn...' and then your back trying to hear what's in your head. With things mixed down with the plugs, the mistakes are more quickly gotten over - plus, you can hear the 'inner music' more clearly and follow it. It makes it more like an intimate thing instead of blaring out at you.

Just some personal thoughts, but that thing about the ears 'turning up' still happens, and all else in this thread is completely valid and valuable.

It's just that I have to smile when people say, "Well, I won't be able to hear the music if I wear plugs" because if you use them long enough, the answer is, "Yah, you can."
 
From the last post: "It's just that I have to smile when people say, "Well, I won't be able to hear the music if I wear plugs"" - actually the opposite is the truth. If you don't wear plugs you stand a real chance of not being able to hear the music at a later point in life. For those of you that are real young, you may not think of this as a big deal. But when you're 80, you'll still be the same person in many ways and I'm sure you'll at least still want to hear music and it may be even more important to you when you're older because you may have other limitations that prevent you from enjoying other things in life (such as skateboards...). I plan to be still playing the bass as it no longer sounds that far away.
 
Boplicity said:
At the suggestion of Will C., I am pulling this topic from another thread. Will and I both feel it might benefit some musicians here who do not use ear plugs.

I have done irreparable damage to my ears and I DID use ear plugs. But I'd probably be stone deaf if I hadn't used them. As it is, I have permanent tinnitis. What is that? I'll tell you...it is a permanent high frequency ringing in my ears twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week. It never stops. What I have to do is try to "cover" it up by running an electric fan or always having a TV or CD-player on.

How did it come about? Well I was in a heavy metal band that rehearsed at full volume and played at full volume, so hours and hours of aural assalt added up unrelentingly and insidiously. I'm talking about two Marshall stacks at full tilt and my bass stack at full tilt, plus the drums being pounded at max to compete with all our sonic blasting.

I wore earplugs. I had to or my head would ache. I used Sonic II plugs, the ones that come in the nifty plastic carrying case. Anyway, the others in the band, refused to use plugs. They believed that the plugs were "so NOT cool." Not cool looking. Not cool for blocking out damaging frequencies of sound.

Here's the deal though. High frequencies ( two distorted guitars) damage in the short run, but damage worse if the high levels are sustained over hours. And the damage is permanent. Once you have tinnitis, there is no road back.

In short, if you must play in that kind of environment, use the BEST earplugs you can afford. Cotton just doesn't do the trick. And seriously question the need to rehearse at "eleven" on the Marshalls all the time. Turn that equipment down, for crying out loud! If one musician turns up, then the others have to turn up to be heard. What you get is each one playing at max. For what? So you can be heard a block away?

Take care of your ears. They are a musician's best friends. Jason Oldsted

I'm being serious when I say I wish the other members of my band would hear this. Especially the drummer. I had to practice w/out earmuffs or plugs the other day and it sucked.
 
DubDubs said:
I'm being serious when I say I wish the other members of my band would hear this. Especially the drummer. I had to practice w/out earmuffs or plugs the other day and it sucked.

forward this thread to the other members in your band. I did that. they checked it out. I ordered two set of the ER-20 and wore one myself and the other guys tested out the other pair. Everyone decided they are a vast improvment over the toilet paper we normally used and everyone will be ordering them too.
 
BlacksHole said:
From the last post: "It's just that I have to smile when people say, "Well, I won't be able to hear the music if I wear plugs"" - actually the opposite is the truth. If you don't wear plugs you stand a real chance of not being able to hear the music at a later point in life. For those of you that are real young, you may not think of this as a big deal. But when you're 80, you'll still be the same person in many ways and I'm sure you'll at least still want to hear music and it may be even more important to you when you're older because you may have other limitations that prevent you from enjoying other things in life (such as skateboards...). I plan to be still playing the bass as it no longer sounds that far away.

I agree, that's what makes me smile. A smile and a shake of the head, because it's a sad situation.
 
Mottlefeeder said:
Those of you who use toilet paper or cotton wool may not be getting the protection you think you are. Those materials will block some frequencies, but not others, so you may still be subjecting your eardrums to hazardous noise levels at some frequencies.

Get proper plugs from a reputable supplier - then you will know for sure.

Actually TP and cotton provide really NO protection at all

Mike
 
I bought some ER-20's a year ago and almost never play without them! I use them vacuuming, I'm a janitor. I found ER-20's are much better than foam ear plugs because of the flatter response curve.

although, lately I'm thinking of getting custom mold ear plugs for better comfort and hopefully flatter response still!!

high quality ear plugs for peace of mind and good sound but just lower.

CONTRARY to popular misconceptions you CAN hear the music and the band better than with naked overloaded ears. I can often hear vocal cues and instructions from our band leader when other, non-ear plug, people are saying "what??" "what??"
 
I have been seriously considering getting earplugs, but I do have one question. I'm the lead singer of my band, and the general rule is that if you plug your ears with your fingers, or anything else, your pitch will be lowered be half or even a whole tone.

Does this happen with the custom fitted plugs? If so, is it worth getting in-ear monitors to cover the loud noise, but still hear everything I need to?

I'm sorry if this has been discussed on this thread, but it is 12 pages long, so I just skimmed through each page.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
 
Bennito said:
I have been seriously considering getting earplugs, but I do have one question. I'm the lead singer of my band, and the general rule is that if you plug your ears with your fingers, or anything else, your pitch will be lowered be half or even a whole tone.

Does this happen with the custom fitted plugs? If so, is it worth getting in-ear monitors to cover the loud noise, but still hear everything I need to?

I'm sorry if this has been discussed on this thread, but it is 12 pages long, so I just skimmed through each page.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
I can understand the sound being different, and having a greater proportion of lower harmonics, because you will be hearing your voice by bone conduction, not air vibration, but I cannot see any reason why you would suddenly start singing off key.

Unless of course you always did, but only heard it when you put your fingers in your ears :D
 
I got sick and tired of going to see bands play and the next day not being able to hear anything. Practicing was also killing my hearing, so out come the plugs. We have to wear them at work, they are they foam "barrel type" plugs that you shove in your ear, so I can get as many as I want for free. Now when I goto a show, I'll put them in, cool, or not cool, I don't care, I can hear later that night on the way home, and the next day. When I play a show, I keep them in for the other bands, but when I play, I have to have them out, so I can get a better read on whats going on around me. Same with practice. 5 hours with them in, then 1 time through the set so I can get a better feel for the music.

Earplugs, don't leave home without them!