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Heavy Metal & Cabs Discussion

#61
Metal bands use backlines a lot, and borrowed gear. Many bands don't have their own gear because they are playing with 5-6 other bands, or are touring and just use whatever is handy. That means a 410 or a 810 if it isn't going anywhere.
I don't see why 2x 210 would be any different from a 410. Heads and EQ will make a bigger difference.
 
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Rnr..........4 said:
If a band uses DI instead with no amps on stage do they just monitor the sound through ear pieces?
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Yes. They would use IEM's (In Ear Monitoring) ear pieces. Specifically designed and custom molded ear pieces to hear each other. With IEM's, you would have to have REALLY GOOD monitors on stage. Many venues do not provide this, but if you are semi-famous, I am sure you can arrange it.
 
#64
Thoughts on a single Darkglass DG212N with a GK700rbII for post metal? Won't be playing any huge spaces but need enough amp to compete with two 412's. Not looking for super boomy low end but would like enough to be felt. Also, how do 212's compare to 215's in terms of volume and feel? Been out of the bass game for a while so I'm trying to remember everything.
 
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epic! said:
Thoughts on a single Darkglass DG212N with a GK700rbII for post metal? Won't be playing any huge spaces but need enough amp to compete with two 412's. Not looking for super boomy low end but would like enough to be felt. Also, how do 212's compare to 215's in terms of volume and feel? Been out of the bass game for a while so I'm trying to remember everything.
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Sort of where I am leaning towards. Two 1x15s. I think that might be your best bet. It's a rounder more fuller tone but my question for everyone else is can you still get some mid/high sparkle through two 1x15s? I would be using a YYZ Ged pedal possibly too.

This really sucks because I can't make my mind up between two 1x15s (combining to 4 ohms) - 4x10 single (ported) or maybe just save up for an 8x10 sealed cab.
 
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Rnr..........4 said:
Sort of where I am leaning towards. Two 1x15s. I think that might be your best bet. It's a rounder more fuller tone but my question for everyone else is can you still get some mid/high sparkle through two 1x15s? I would be using a YYZ Ged pedal possibly too.

This really sucks because I can't make my mind up between two 1x15s (combining to 4 ohms) - 4x10 single (ported) or maybe just save up for an 8x10 sealed cab.
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You should check out the Revsound 15’s. I owned the 215T and that cab had a great tone and plenty of balls and volume.
The cab is about 52lbs, has a recessed top handle and wheels on the back so you can move it around like a piece of luggage.
Hit up Revsounds owner David and he will help you make the choice for your needs.

you could even go with multiple 115’s. 3 would blow the doors off most anything.
 
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Rnr..........4 said:
Can you get some of those mids and highs with the 15's tho? I'm just not sure how they would sound under heavy 4x10 guitars.
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15s don't necessarily go lower...

All depends on the speaker and how the cab is tuned.

Many 410 or 210 cabs are tuned lower than some 1x15s.
My Bassman 115s are nice vintage-ey more mid focused than lows, to my ears.

As are the Orange 115s.
The Mesa Subway 115s seem to be great. I haven't seen nor heard live tho
 
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I'll weigh in on the YYZ. I picked one up to add something new to my sound. As people have mentioned, mids are your friend, and upon using this pedal it was instantly not going to happen. Even with the mid and treble controls maxed it just wasn't cutting like my rig was before. That led me to a blender pedal. This was the magic, giving me the cool overtones the YYZ has and my dry signal from the jazz bass. Of course that also led me to designing my own blender with high pass control. Best of all worlds combined....for METAL!!!... of course.
 
#71
I'm going to give the Orange 1x15s a try. Combined that's 800 watts at 4ohms. They are lighter than the 4x10 Orange I briefly had. That was so heavy it was just impractical to have around the house as a one cab solution because going to practice was a PITA. Great cab tho.

I've been to many metal shows and noticed whenever the bass player was using a 4x10 on stage I'd never really hear the a tone and the notes. Just booming blended in with the guitars way loud. It was almost like you'd not even need the bass player there. Plus, with DI through pedals and PA.. don't really need a 8x10 or 4x10 unless it's for stage looks.
 
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Rnr..........4 said:
I've been to many metal shows and noticed whenever the bass player was using a 4x10 on stage I'd never really hear the a tone and the notes. Just booming blended in with the guitars way loud. It was almost like you'd not even need the bass player there. Plus, with DI through pedals and PA.. don't really need a 8x10 or 4x10 unless it's for stage looks.
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You are missing a key point: if the bassist was in the PA, then you did not hear the stage rig. It comes down to "what did the bass player send to the PA for his tone?" Was the sound person experienced? Terrible acoustics? In the end, you can't assume a 410 cabinet is automatically bad for live bass tones.
 
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Rnr..........4 said:
I'm going to give the Orange 1x15s a try. Combined that's 800 watts at 4ohms. They are lighter than the 4x10 Orange I briefly had. That was so heavy it was just impractical to have around the house as a one cab solution because going to practice was a PITA. Great cab tho.

I've been to many metal shows and noticed whenever the bass player was using a 4x10 on stage I'd never really hear the a tone and the notes. Just booming blended in with the guitars way loud. It was almost like you'd not even need the bass player there. Plus, with DI through pedals and PA.. don't really need a 8x10 or 4x10 unless it's for stage looks.
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Gearhead17 said:
You are missing a key point: if the bassist was in the PA, then you did not hear the stage rig. It comes down to "what did the bass player send to the PA for his tone?" Was the sound person experienced? Terrible acoustics? In the end, you can't assume a 410 cabinet is automatically bad for live bass tones.
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As Gearhead and others have stated here, it all depends on what the bassist is sending to the PA or through their rig. If they scoop out the mids, have no grit, and rolled the bass knobs to max, you'll get boom.

Send some grit through a cab with a great tweeter/horn? Now you're talking.
 
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Favorite cabs I used in my (unspeakably loud, no like really loud) doom metal band was actually the ampeg svt410hlf, the ported 410. You have to tame the lows out of it a little but it really threw a lot of air. I had an ampeg PF-500 with the gain dimed and volume up to about 3 o’clock. We played in C standard so I needed something that could project low end, thr 410hlf did it better then the ampeg 810s that were backlined often. I think a 2x15 set up (either in one cab or two) would probably work out very well for your needs. Orange would good, mesa is probably better but more dough. If you’re willing to lift the big stuff I see peavey 2x15s with the famous black widow speakers sell for pretty cheap on the used market.
 
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#75
I’ve “skipped thru” this thread and kept going because I see so many options and …..
I saw one post where the decision on cab purchase was a 2x10 or a 2x15 ?? Ported or not ?? And two different brands.
Without trying them, and in a live setting maybe…..the number and size of the speakers will not be the “answer” for getting the sound you want and are trying to stay away from. It’s the total rig and you. I don’t know the experience you have but go to some shows and see what players you like are using and ask them how they achieve their sound and how they approach the sound person at the venue to get “their sound” thru the FOH. Do they “give” total control to the engineer at the board or sending a post eq signal and working with the house to “make it work”.
This topic is not a one size fits all thing. You will not find “it” here on TB. Some suggestions yea, some good, some not so much.
The number of bass players that are “looking” for that sound are quite large I’d guess.
 

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