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Help me decide…. SBMM or EBMM?

Tony G

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Jan 20, 2006
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Hello Talkbass, it has been a while. Once again I need your wisdom to help me through a difficult decision about which bass to own, lol. I’ve recently been hit with the Stingray bug again, having sold my EBMM Stingray 5H a few years ago, but now missing that tone.

I just purchased a used, like new with plastic wraps still on the pickguard and tuners, a SBMM Ray34 4H, black with rosewood fretboard, roasted maple neck. I got it for a really good price, less than half of retail $ new. It sounds really good for what it is, plays pretty darn well too. Are there many finish flaws? Definitely…. The black painted body when viewed in outdoor natural light almost appears gray around the edges off the bass, either the paint is too thin, or the clear coat is too thick, but indoors it really isn’t noticeable. The back of the neck could have been sanded a tiny bit better, but I feel that is not enough to worry about. Some glue spots here and there from the fret job, but again, I can let this go. The truss rod is really tough to turn with the included tool. I got the bass set up pretty well with good action for finger style, but not crazy about the “slap” action and resulting tone. But again, the finger style tone and playability is pretty great, and I dig the roasted maple neck look.

I say all of the above talking about a bass I paid about $400 for. To clarify, I could afford to buy a used EBMM Stingray or even a new one at the crazy prices they are being sold for these days, if I could justify it. I know I really need to get into a local shop and just try out some Stingray Specials. But the price tag keeps me in check. I’ve had many amazing basses come through my stable over the years, ranging from MTD, Roscoe, F-bass, Bacchus, and still have my beloved Nordy vJ5. I’ve also had a good handful “budget” basses that were really solid, and I still have my G&L Tribute LB100 p-bass that just kills. The point is I can be happy with a budget offering if the quality is there. To further add to the difficult decision making process, I have not been in a band or gigged in about 5 years. I’m in my 40’s now, have kids that keep me very busy, and mostly just play at home to amuse myself and relax, with the rare jam with old friends.

Keeping all the above in mind, Talkbass, what advice would you give me?
 
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If you plan on buying and keeping and using as one of your main players….. go Ernie Ball. If not, Sterling is a good option.
I do generally agree with your assessment, but why couldn’t the Sterling be a long term “one of your main players” option? Is the long term quality of the build and hardware just really lacking?
 
I do generally agree with your assessment, but why couldn’t the Sterling be a long term “one of your main players” option? Is the long term quality of the build and hardware just really lacking?

Buy the best that you can afford. You get what you pay for . I’m not saying a Sterling can’t be a great bass that will last you a lifetime without issues, but I’d rather invest in the best quality and years of experience and a proven track record to last a lifetime.

https://www.talkbass.com/threads/st...s-new-for-2022-unfortunate-situation.1557756/
 
Buy the best that you can afford. You get what you pay for . I’m not saying a Sterling can’t be a great bass that will last you a lifetime without issues, but I’d rather invest in the best quality and years of experience and a proven track record to last a lifetime.

https://www.talkbass.com/threads/st...s-new-for-2022-unfortunate-situation.1557756/

I do agree with your sentiment. At this point it becomes a question of value. I have a bass that for $400 gets me 85% of the “experience” of a bass that now retails for $2500. Of course only I can truly decide what will make me happy to live with. I’m a little surprised that there hasn’t been more people here ready to defend the SBMM ray34. I had thought they were well regarded here.
 
So you've pointed out some mostly minor issues with your SBMM Ray34 4H. I think that if you think those things will bother you over the coming months and years, then maybe an EBMM might be the way to go. If not and you enjoy the bass as much you think you will either way, stick with the Sterling by MM.

The other thing to consider is if you think you want the refinements that the Specials offer. If so, you have your answer.
 
I do agree with your sentiment. At this point it becomes a question of value. I have a bass that for $400 gets me 85% of the “experience” of a bass that now retails for $2500. Of course only I can truly decide what will make me happy to live with. I’m a little surprised that there hasn’t been more people here ready to defend the SBMM ray34. I had thought they were well regarded here.
I like my Sterling Ray34, but it is too heavy for my weak back. I love my Sire, though! Light and sounds so good. The sound I have been looking for for a long, long time.
 
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I like my Sterling Ray34, but it is too heavy for my weak back. I love my Sire, though! Light and sounds so good. The sound I have been looking for for a long, long time.

I forgot to mention in my original post that my Ray34 is pretty light weight! I’m guessing around 8.5 lbs. Very light, well balanced, and resonant. That is a pretty big plus I forgot about.
 
I have great gear. Where my head is, if I decide to buy something new I want to make sure I’ll cherish it and that it will gain a spot in my use. I just don’t see that happening with a SBMM, however good those might be.

If however I happen upon one of the trans teal Stringrays from about 1992, I might buy it because I lusted after those in college when I was too broke to afford one.
 
I have great gear. Where my head is, if I decide to buy something new I want to make sure I’ll cherish it and that it will gain a spot in my use. I just don’t see that happening with a SBMM, however good those might be.

If however I happen upon one of the trans teal Stringrays from about 1992, I might buy it because I lusted after those in college when I was too broke to afford one.

I always keep my eyes open for a Smurf blueburst one of the same area (5-string). Same thing. I lusted over it for years. I eventually got one, but not in that colour that I preferred.
 
So you've pointed out some mostly minor issues with your SBMM Ray34 4H. I think that if you think those things will bother you over the coming months and years, then maybe an EBMM might be the way to go. If not and you enjoy the bass as much you think you will either way, stick with the Sterling by MM.

The other thing to consider is if you think you want the refinements that the Specials offer. If so, you have your answer.

I agree.

But, from my personal experience, I owned both and sold my EBMM and kept my Sterling's.
 
I do agree with your sentiment. At this point it becomes a question of value. I have a bass that for $400 gets me 85% of the “experience” of a bass that now retails for $2500. Of course only I can truly decide what will make me happy to live with. I’m a little surprised that there hasn’t been more people here ready to defend the SBMM ray34. I had thought they were well regarded here.

I own both and I think a big reason that not a lot of people are coming to defend the Ray34 is because the quality did drop during and after COVID. Prior to COVID you wouldn't hear of Tuner or Truss Rod issues like you do now. They seem to have rectified that now, but there are still some in the stores with these issues.

With that said I do own both SBMM and EBMM Stingrays and even though I do like the Ray34's a lot, you do get what you pay for with the Stingray Specials. A nicer feeling neck, lighter weight, better hardware, SS frets, newer preamp at 18 volts and immaculate finish.

If you can afford the EBMM I would recommend it. In time you will probably be able to get your money back on it and then some. They depreciate and then seem to gain in value. If you can't afford it then the SBMM is a fine choice. It looks and sounds just like an older 3 band Ray. IMHO
 
I had a Ray34 (and wish I still did) it was a very good bass.

I’ve also played a friend’s EBMM StingRay and it was better. Felt nicer in my hands and was thunderous.

I don’t have StingRay money, but even if I did, I couldn’t justify spending StingRay $$ for a bedroom bass.
 

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