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Help me get a thick Jazz bass tone!

Have you raised those pickups up a bit ? Maybe to 1/8th. Raising he action a smidge was probably a good idea as well. Strings wise, Thomastic Super Alloy rounds have some twang to them but much more body than other rounds I've tried. Flat's wise, JF's or Chromes - Chromes have plaenty of beef - about 6 months after you start them off though. A very long break in period where they are pretty 'steely' in other words.

You might think about adding some EQ prior to the amp. I run an old Trace Elliot SM-7 stomp EQ once in a while. That one is voiced really well for bass, almost pristine audio quality to it - it's suprising for a floor pedal. So it doesn't mess with the rest of your sound. I also have a BDDI and it definately messes with your sound. Maybe in a good way, mabe not depending - so which I carrry is a matter of setting.
 
Lots of good suggestions here, and the series/parallel switch is probably the biggest bang for the buck. And the DiMarzio Model J's are a good idea. But since you're considering signal processing, try an Aphex Bass Xciter. I use it with my L-1500 when that sounds too "honky" (i.e., through certain rigs) and the Xciter adds serious phatness and body, without changing the instrument's signature tone.
 
Lots of good suggestions here, and the series/parallel switch is probably the biggest bang for the buck. And the DiMarzio Model J's are a good idea. But since you're considering signal processing, try an Aphex Bass Xciter. I use it with my L-1500 when that sounds too "honky" (i.e., through certain rigs) and the Xciter adds serious phatness and body, without changing the instrument's signature tone.

+1 I hate to jump on the 'buy a solution' bandwagon but, I using a BBE MaxCom and it does wonders for thickness. A little compression and a little low contour from this thing and its fat city.
 
Those are the same as the onboard 2 band preamps right? If so then they might work.

Yes, it's the same preamp, in addition with DI output and mute switch (with tuner output).
At the beginning you think "where is the difference?" but when you switch off it you notice the difference. It adds a nice low end (and also high end if desired) and tuned properly you will notice also how your band listen a more full and defined Bass. (Eeeyyy it's my experience but you can try it in a local shop or maybe from a Bassist friend, the problem is that at first you don't notice excesive difference, but really it is, believe me ;))
 
There are many different options that might work. This works for me. Adjust the neck pickup so that when the last fret is depressed the pickup is about 1/8 from the strings. And set the bridge pickup slightly lower than the neck pickup. The volume from the bridge pickup will be a little less, but still there. I set both volumes even and back the tone knob down about half way. Run some Chrome Flats. Fingerpick about two or three inches below the end of the fret board. Move your right hand down closer to to the bridge when you are playing really fast as it will give you more clarity. If your cab has a tweeter, back that down about half way as well. Give this a try and you are only out the price of a set of strings. (Juststrings.com)
 
I just had practice the other day and my bass sounds quite good, I think I will just add a series/parallel switch and be done with it. I tweaked with compression and limiting and found a great tone with a slight amount of OD from the amp to smooth everything out.

I will leave this open for any other people seeking thick Jazz Bass tone for suggestions.
 
For more lows, raise the neck pickup. For more bite, raise the bridge. If your bridge is high but your neck is bottomed, you will have a lack of lows sound. Break out a ruler and make sure the neck is as close to the E and G strings as your bridge pickup, otherwise your loosing 1/2 the picture.
Gotta watch the distance on the neck pup if you slap. Easy to set it too close and smack it with the strings.
 
Personally I wouldn't go with flats on your jazz. Yeah it sounds thicker, but to me, the jazz needs a little bit of ping to cut through guitars. I think you need to keep the rounds but add some preamp boost. My Sadowsky DI focuses the bottom on my passive J's very well, and adds heft. I know the HC pups have some bigger bottom too, but if you want to stick with your SC's, the Sadowsky pre boosts just the right frequencies. If that aint enough, then you need to start looking at P's or PJ's ;)
 
There is a recurring theme to many of the people who have posted in this thread.

My jazz bass is thin sounding.

There is absolutely no reason a jazz bass can not sound thick, especially an MIA. Those are fairly decent pickups and can give you everything you are looking for.

As far as the vids you linked for jazz tones. That is not thick jazz bass tone. That is very mid ranged with a lot of gain. In your profile you have listed several players with tone you find great. Most of them have very midranged tone.

In order for a jazz bass to have the tone your looking for it MUST be set up correctly. You do not have to have high action to have good tone. What you do need is to have the relationship of neck and bridge pickup balanced correctly. The distance of the pickups to the strings is critical to realize the full potential of the pickups. There truely is a very fine line between just right and not being happy.

Do you properly understand how to setup a jazzbass?

Simply rolling off the volumes before you have the pickups properly balanced will only result in further frustration. When the pickups are correctly set, rolling off the volumes by about 10% will smooth the top end a bit and appear to give you more bottom.

Also, what you hear on a recording is rarely available in a live situation. Unless of course the way it was recorded is basically how they play live.

Give me the specs for your pickup to string distances with the bass in playing position, and the strings open, not fretted.

Be very exact with these measurments.
 
mrhardy, I'd like to take advantage of your advice, if I may. I've been following this thread and I believe that all I probably need on my Jazz is the correct pickup height.

The measurements from the bottom of the string to the top of the pole pieces, in playing position and un-fretted, are:

Neck P/U - E string (5/32) and G string (4/32)

Bridge P/U - E string (4/32) and G string (4/32)

My ruler measures 64th's but it just happens that each measurement came out to 32nd's.

How much higher/lower should my pickups be to have a thicker, bassier sound?

Thanks.
 
Wayne this is a post I had put in another thread about how I approach setting pickups heights. Your current specs are very close to how my Geddy is currently set. What pickups are in your bass? MIM, MIA, SJB1, ? What is your spacing, 60's 70's?

Read this and see if it helps you. You may only need a small adjustment (1/64") on only one of your pickups.




Here's how I approach pickups with regards to setup, and a few thoughts on the process.

Pickup adjustment is the last step in the total setup process. If the bass setup is not finalized then adjusting the pickups is pointless. Any adustment you make will alter the pickup to string relationship.

Everybody has there bass setup a little differently, even my own basses vary slightly with regards to relief, and action. It is not accurate to say adjust pickups to spec "X" while depressing the string at the last fret. While I can tell you to set your neck pickup to 1/8" with the string depressed at the last fret, my action height may be different than yours. When the string is then released we will have different measurements in the final product. Even small tolerances will affect overall tone. 1/64" is a lot of space in the right circumstance.

It would be better to give measurements based on holding the bass in playing position with the strings open. This is something I've just recently been working on, and realizing when discussing setups with people.

I do start with the string depressed at the last fret, and then set both pickups flat at 1/8" bass and treble side. Then play the bass listening to both pickups on, and seperate. Do I like what I hear? I wish it was that easy. Now we start adjusting, based on how we want to move the bass tone. My amp is generally fairly flat for this, I want to hear the pickups and how they are changing tonally.


As a general statement, the closer a pickup is the brighter the tone, as you adjust it down you move through the midrange, and then into the bass range.

I like to work with the neck pickup first. My particular action gives me about 12/64" with the bass in playing position after setting the pickup to 1/8" with the string depressed at the last fret. I don't often, read ever, play on the last fret.

Depending on the pickup this gives a decent bass tone, but generally lacks mids, but maybe not. Start bringing the pickup up 1\64" at a time. Play the bass, and note what your hearing, pickup solo'd and with the bridge. Continue this till you have what you think is the neck tone your looking for. To much bass, move closer for better mids. To much mids move away for more bass. This sets your overall bottom tone

The bridge measures out at 9/64" at this point, after setting it with the same process as the initial neck pickup. Your basically going to do the same thing for the bridge as you did for the neck.

How does the bridge pickup volume sound, weak, strong, just right, to middy, to bright? Adjust the pickup as before till your getting the top end you think you want.

Now play the bass with both pickups on full. What do you think? Roll the volumes off about 5-10% single and together, how about now, better, worse. Where do you want to move the tone.

You may chase your tail for awhile at this point to find the right balance between a little movement one way, or the other, on either pickup.

For instance: too twangy. Do you move the bridge down and lose top end clarity or move the bass up for better mids to tame the top end? Do you have enough bass if you move the neck up to tame top end? You have to play with it to find the balance. It is a bit of work, but it is worth it to find the tone.

Anyways, in a nutshell thats how I approach it.
 
Wayne,

I went back through some of your other threads to ascertain what type of bass you have. I assume your talking about a MIM standard jazz.

I have one of those as well. Compared to the Fender vintage pickups of my Geddy I find these pickups to be very bright, and one dimensional sounding. They are not my favorite pickups, but I've not found a reason to change them in all the time I've owned this bass.

I currently have my bass set to these same specs for the pickups. To my ears this is a good blend of low mids and highs. It is about as workable as these pickups are going to get. I have run them differently in the past.

I've had the neck pickup as low as 12/64" to enhance low end. With the neck this low the bass is less growly, and more smooth sounding. However it does have an ok bottom. Lower than this, and the bass gets hollow sounding.

I've run the bridge pickup as close as 3/64". However that almost seemed to brittle on the topend. These pickups seem to be ok right at 4/64 for the bridge as a max height. IMO.

In this situation, try lowering your neck pickup by 1/64" increments. There are variables between the two basses that will have to be taken into account, but this should help a bit, if deeper lows are what you want.

Still, I think this current setting is a good compromise for overall balance with the limitations of these pickups. I've found darker sounding strings work well with this bass. Flats sound pretty good, with Fenders, labella's, Roto's, and Chromes all doing a good job.

The pure nickels should also be a good match.

Hope this helps.
 

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