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help required chosing a fEARful design

#61
Scott-

For me - the beauty of modularity and my pair of matching 15/6/1s is in the fact that I can leave one at home, leave one at the rehearsal studio, and combine the two for gigs.

This gives me plenty of extra flexibility over opting for a 15" sub, significantly eliminates the schlep factor, and allows for mirror baffling so I can walk fearlessly into any stage on the planet with a rig stacked any way I want! Let me know if you are ever in MSP, you can check it out.

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#62
ChuckTrucks said:
Fearful needs to bite the bullet and go small commercial. I bet they could make decent livings off TB orders alone.

They need to do it smart and possibly have an actual businessman manage things. They need to charge a lot for their cabs. People will pay it. Just get a reasonably good bass player to demo the damn things on Youtube. Also make a construction video. Back up information with charts and graphs.

If Fearful cabs are as amazing as people say (and I have no doubt they are great) then they need to go ahead and take the final step and get them on some dealers floors.
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Minus the charging a lot for the cabs, and having them widely distributed, all that other stuff is in its own dedicated forum. Hell most of It is in the thousands of posts here on tb.
 
#64
ChuckTrucks said:
Fearful needs to bite the bullet and go small commercial. I bet they could make decent livings off TB orders alone.

They need to do it smart and possibly have an actual businessman manage things. They need to charge a lot for their cabs. People will pay it. Just get a reasonably good bass player to demo the damn things on Youtube. Also make a construction video. Back up information with charts and graphs.

If Fearful cabs are as amazing as people say (and I have no doubt they are great) then they need to go ahead and take the final step and get them on some dealers floors.
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Try to go borrow a nickel to make that happen. Collateral won't cut it for biz loans any more. Proven cash flows are the ticket. Hard to prove with a new product.

As for a video, http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4wkxJSj_qf8
I hope that doesn't violate terms of service. If so please delete.
 
#65
the way I see the modularity of two 12/6/1's working for my needs is:

first, it'll be in the SPL range of an 8-10 when I play bass guitar (with the proper amount of wattage),

and,

secondly, I'll also have two very nice PA cabs (going with the Selenium drivers) since I also do a bunch of announcing gigs and DJing.
 
#67
rpsands said:
I wouldn't be looking at a fEarful modular rig with my tube head. Just being honest. My tube head doesn't run at 8 ohms though, but even still I'm not sure it'd be loud enough for a lot of my needs even with just a 15/6. I barely scraped by with an MB500 (375w into 8 ohms) and had to dime it on occasion.

I run my '66 with my 300w tube head and it's super, but I'd probably look at more sensitive cabs if I was trying to find something modular. Maybe Baer ML-112's or Greenboy Bassic 15's, or Duke's Hathor 1544's.

Nice thing about the Hathor is you can get'em in 4 ohms.
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As I was saying, this is what you don't hear very often.

I'm not a detractor. Fearful cabs do the full spectrum full dispersion business, but only with a mess of power on tap. When you haven't got gobs of power you start looking at more drivers and higher tunings. Just about any 4x10 has acceptable lows and makes 300w bellow, even if claimed sensitivity figures would have them killing babies.

How about a pile of BFM Jack12 to add to the high sensitivity modular candidates.
 
#68
CL400Peavey said:
Stoopit auto correct on my phone.... :D
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:D


dhsierra1 said:
the way I see the modularity of two 12/6/1's working for my needs is:

first, it'll be in the SPL range of an 8-10 when I play bass guitar (with the proper amount of wattage),

and,

secondly, I'll also have two very nice PA cabs (going with the Selenium drivers) since I also do a bunch of announcing gigs and DJing.
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Hidden advantage here. These things will absolutely make sweet PA cabs, fullrange recorded music included.
 
#69
will33 said:
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Hidden advantage here. These things will absolutely make sweet PA cabs, fullrange recorded music included.
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Exactly why I'm very interested in the fFs ;)

I really like my pseudo-old school GK through 2-15s rig w/my Fender basses doing classic rock/blues/RnB etc. But having played my more modern sounding Renaissance RB-4 through a seriously hi-fi system, I see and hear the kind of clarity and range an fF (or the like) rig with lots of clean power can offer tonally.

C'mon, work with me, guys, I'm trying to rationalize dropping some coin on a new rig here and I have to present the proper story to the GF :D
 
#70
dhsierra1 said:
Exactly why I'm very interested in the fFs ;)

I really like my pseudo-old school GK through 2-15s rig w/my Fender basses doing classic rock/blues/RnB etc. But having played my more modern sounding Renaissance RB-4 through a seriously hi-fi system, I see and hear the kind of clarity and range an fF (or the like) rig with lots of clean power can offer tonally.

C'mon, work with me, guys, I'm trying to rationalize dropping some coin on a new rig here and I have to present the proper story to the GF :D
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IMO, you're on target with the 12" models, mostly due to the lowly, $40, ceramic mag., plain old Alpha6. I use them in my 3-way PA mains, always with a 3-4db lift in the mids on the eq to bring their output up in line with the woofers and tweets. They handle it nicely and are a very natural/musical sounding speaker. Smooth. They sound like they're singing to you rather than yelling at you....nice.

IMO, for the "purveyor of loud" that the 18sound is, it makes no sense to me to drop that kind of coin on that driver, only to pad it back, use filters/eq or whatever to "fix" it. I'd rather buy 4 Alpha6's than 1 of those if I needed to get that loud. The Alpha doesn't need any fixing.

So, for the GF, you're buying the small ones and getting the "budget model" at that. For your own ears, you're getting the sweeter deal.:smug:
 
#71
will33 said:
IMO, you're on target with the 12" models, mostly due to the lowly, $40, ceramic mag., plain old Alpha6. I use them in my 3-way PA mains, always with a 3-4db lift in the mids on the eq to bring their output up in line with the woofers and tweets. They handle it nicely and are a very natural/musical sounding speaker. Smooth. They sound like they're singing to you rather than yelling at you....nice.

IMO, for the "purveyor of loud" that the 18sound is, it makes no sense to me to drop that kind of coin on that driver, only to pad it back, use filters/eq or whatever to "fix" it. I'd rather buy 4 Alpha6's than 1 of those if I needed to get that loud. The Alpha doesn't need any fixing.

So, for the GF, you're buying the small ones and getting the "budget model" at that. For your own ears, you're getting the sweeter deal.:smug:
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Will, I knew I could count on you :D

I agree with the design approach on the Alpha 6s. Unless the 18Sounds are soooo much better, which I'm a bit skeptical until I hear one in person or hear from someone w/ears better than mine. And there's a few, for sure.
 
#72
Some say they're fine, some say they're ganky in their topend, which is more in line with what the chart looks like to me. In the new fearless models, they've employed some more passive filtering to smooth them out, especially for upright. Again, to me, it seems like spending more than you need to on something that does more than you need done, then spending even more to bring it in line.

Greenboy has a smooth transition happening from the woofer to mid. The alpha 6 runs a smooth 95db from 1khz to 5khz both on paper and in person, pretty much the entirety of it's passband in a 3-way system. Aside from setting your tweeter l-pad where you want it, no eq is needed to correct for the speakers at all, it's already done. The only knob twisting is to correct for the room, or the lack of a room....and they're $40 bucks. Assuming that spl level will accomplish what you need accomplished.
 
#74
Downunderwonder said:
As I was saying, this is what you don't hear very often.

I'm not a detractor. Fearful cabs do the full spectrum full dispersion business, but only with a mess of power on tap. When you haven't got gobs of power you start looking at more drivers and higher tunings. Just about any 4x10 has acceptable lows and makes 300w bellow, even if claimed sensitivity figures would have them killing babies.

How about a pile of BFM Jack12 to add to the high sensitivity modular candidates.
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I own a Jack 12 (with premium driver) and it's not sensitive in the range I need it to be, for its size. It's no more sensitive than a typical 1x12 under 200hz or so and twice as big and heavy.

If getting crazy loud starting about 200hz is enough for you, the Jack 12 will do amazing things. But the meat of my signal is 150 on down so I'd rather just use single high sensitivity 15's or something.
 
#75
Two 12/6s with the Alpha is probably the most economical way to go.

I had the parts for the 18sound loaded 12/6 and got a good deal on the 12sub. However, I think the 12/6s with the alphas would have been better in another way too. They are the same cab so they stack better on the handcart. The 12/6 + 12sub stacks a little awkwardly on the handcart... though I have only done it once and will try some other ways of getting them on there. Pretty minor though.
 
#76
CL400Peavey said:
If you are looking to get into a dual woofer rig the 12/6 with the alpha mid is the least expensive route. IMHO the only reason for the 18sound mid in a single woofer cab is in a 15/6, or in a 12/6 cube meant to be paired with a 15sub.
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I believe I read you recommending just that in another thread so it got me thinking this might be the logical route for me to cover both my need for a more powerful/modern sounding rig and take care of my announcing/DJ gigs. I"d probably get some appropriate latches and wheel both cabs in for one trip, sometimes that second or third schlep can be tiresome, esp over long distances and stairs between the car and the stage.

Sorry OP, I know we're getting OT here, back to the thread :D
 
#77
dhsierra1 said:
I believe I read you recommending just that in another thread so it got me thinking this might be the logical route for me to cover both my need for a more powerful/modern sounding rig and take care of my announcing/DJ gigs. I"d probably get some appropriate latches and wheel both cabs in for one trip, sometimes that second or third schlep can be tiresome, esp over long distances and stairs between the car and the stage.

Sorry OP, I know we're getting OT here, back to the thread :D
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If you go this route get the tweeters as well, and reverse the baffle on one cab. Killer little stack, and will be a sweet PA as well.
 

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