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Help with writing music on bass

Hello i am fairly new to TB and this is my first post, im sure this has been covered many times but i was wondering if anyone could give me some advice on writing music on bass. I have read many books/articles on this process and most say the same stuff about using scales and going with the guitar but thats my problem, im the only musician i know and i only play bass. i cant write a guitar riff to create a bass line. So i have nothing but my bass to start with. is it even possible to write music with just a bass? If anyone has any knowladge they could share i would greatly appreciate it. Thanks alot.:D
 
Hello i am fairly new to TB and this is my first post, im sure this has been covered many times but i was wondering if anyone could give me some advice on writing music on bass.
You can write music on the bass - you can write music on any instrument. Some are easier than others. Melody flows best for me on piano or keyboard. Bass Lines flow best on a bass guitar, however, the bottom 4 strings on a 6 string guitar are the same as the bass' 4 strings. Notes are notes so you can write (play) music on either instrument.
I have read many books/articles on this process and most say the same stuff about using scales and going with the guitar but thats my problem, im the only musician i know and i only play bass. i cant write a guitar riff to create a bass line. So i have nothing but my bass to start with. is it even possible to write music with just a bass? If anyone has any knowledge they could share i would greatly appreciate it. Thanks alot.:D
Writing music is about composing a melody line, a harmony line and letting the note duration build a rhythm. So writing music goes a little beyond what I think you are expecting. Hang on; here is the story. Writing music is about having a story worth telling. I normally use lyrics for this. Once I have the story in mind I put it into verse format. I like four line verses, three verses and one chorus. I next decide on a cookie cutter chord progression and as I'm Country the I-IV-V7-I progression has written a zillion songs so I use a V7-I cadence in the first two lines of the verse and then duplicate that in the last two lines of that 4 line verse.

Up to this point I've used a pencil, some paper, and a little theory knowledge on how a chord progression can move the story through the verse.

Now comes the melody. And yes here you can use your bass for this - notes are notes.
Code:
Major Scale Box. 

G|---2---|-------|---3---|---4---| 1st string
D|---6---|-------|---7---|---8---|
A|---3---|---4---|-------|---5---|
E|-------|---R---|-------|---2---|4th string
Pick a key and stay with the key scale and the chords made from that scale. True this flows better on a keyboard than the bass or even a 6 string guitar, but, you can write melody on your bass.

For your melody and your bass line to harmonize both should share some like notes. I normally rely upon the chord's pentatonic scale for my melody notes. The pentatonic will have 3 chord tones for harmony and 2 safe passing notes for color. That normally is enough for a first draft melody line.

Now we finally get to the meat of this post. How do you write a bass line to harmonize that melody. You need at least one shared note in the melody line and the bass line per measure. Two are better, and 3 or 4 would be great if you have time (room for them). So playing just roots in your bass line will harmonize, playing roots and fives will be better and if you have room the correct 3 and 7 will work nicely. Is there more? Sure.

So yes you can write "stuff" on your bass, however, because of it's low range melody is sometime best composed on keyboard or 6 string guitar.

Now composing your bass line. Your melody line and your bass line need to share some like notes to harmonize. Great thing about this is if you get some fake chord sheet music the song writer has already decided what chord will best harmonize the melody - at this specific point in the song - so if you follow the chords he has put into the song and play some of the chord's tones it becomes a piece of cake to compose a bass line for this song. Notice I compose by first placing the chords so the story can move between I rest to IV tension to V7 climax and then I back to rest. So... I have the chords already in place to use for my melody. Same as if you used fake chord for the chords.....

Here is some stuff you may find interesting:
Link Removed Print the first 20 pages and read a little each night.

http://books.google.com/books?id=Ht...result&ct=result&resnum=1#v=onepage&q&f=false First 30 pages are worth your time.

Yes its on the piano, but, notes are notes and this video will explain how you pick chords that will harmonize the melody. Neat stuff to know. In the example given the C chord or the Am chord could have been used, understanding why the C chord was chosen is key to understanding how melody and harmony work together.


Have fun.
 
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Here's the method I use most for writing songs on the bass.

First I write some lyrics. Then I keep reciting them until a rhythm emerges. Once I have the rhythm I work on the melody for the verse section. After I have that melody I write a bass line for it.

I try various chords by using arpeggios as I sing the lyrics to find out what chords sound the best against the melody. Once I've decided on some chords I will see how they work with the bass line. Some theory/analysis comes in handy here. Also things might need some adjusting. Once the verse part is done then I work on the chorus and the bridge etc.

It's complicated. It takes a lot of trying out various things, and sometimes I don't finish a song for quite a while. But it works for me. Can't say if it will work for anyone else tho.
 
A good way to start writing music, is to learn famous/beloved songs, and then try adding your own parts to those songs. Ideally you should do this both with songs that you, personally, love, and songs that are considered to be "great songs" by "great songwriters." For example, how many popular/famous songs have you learned by people like Lennon/McCartney, Elton John, Dolly Parton, Bruce Springsteen, Katy Perry, Brian Wilson, Prince, Chuck Berry, James Taylor, etc.? If the answer to the question is less than "one hundred songs" then there is your homework assignment for the next 100 days: learn one famous/popular song per day, by ear, and try to create your own little extra part that sounds good along with the existing song.

If you can create interesting parts that go along with what you are hearing, then that is an excellent stepping stone to writing your own songs completely from scratch. :)
 
Keyboard or guitar may be more convenient to write music, but it doesn't mean you can't do it on bass. The main complication here that I often face is harmonization as bass isn't that convenient to play chords, especially simultaneously with melody line like keyboard allows. However, it's not a big problem, either. Just learn a few of these tricky chord fingerings and some tapping and you'll be okay.
 
Assuming you're playing bass because you like music, and assuming you've heard a lot of music (always helps to hear more), and assuming you can have a song playing in your head, and assuming that you can sing the song that's in your head.... then, the answer is rather simple. Play a song in your head, sing the song, play the song on your bass.
As far as 'writing goes'. If you want others to join in the song, you'll find that learning standard notation is probably best, but until you have that down, record the song, or write it out in any way you can reproduce it later.
If you want to create music that you can sell, or that others will enjoy, the process is a little more complicated. To do that, you'll have to get a grip on what other people like. In that case, read paragraph one, share with others, trash what they don't like. (repeat forever)
 
Some of the dirt simple stuff. Hitch hiking on my earlier post where we talked about the major scale box....

Major Scale Box.
G|---2---|-------|---3---|---4---| 1st string
D|---6---|-------|---7---|---8---|
A|---3---|---4---|-------|---5---|
E|-------|---R---|-------|---2---|4th string

Root to 8 gives you a major scale. So those eight notes are going to sound good with each other -- because they come from the same scale.

You decide on the scale/key by placing the box's R on a certain note on your fret board - if that was an A note the A major scale awaits you within the box.

C at the 8th fret is an easy spot to work from. So using those 8 notes play something that sounds good. Try three close notes then jump a few notes. Then do it again from where you landed. Leave some spaces, think of it this way, we talk in phrases, not a stead stream of words, same with music.

Write the good stuff down, forget about the bad stuff.

Picking out simple songs will get you going. When you can pick out simple songs start composing your own.

Mary had a little lamb for example.
 
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I took composition in college. I kept a tape recorder while I worked at it then transcribed the good stuff down on paper. I used bass, guitar, voice and keyboard to start out but the final editing was usually on keys.

I found that if you sit down with the intent to do at least 15 minutes every working day, you will get good really fast at writing songs.

Dont overthink what you write but DO WRITE IT DOWN. When you comeback a week later, you may hear the tune differently and some really good rewrites happen.

My compositions right now are mostly walking lines and Bach influenced lines.
 
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One more suggestion that most people will ignore.

Do your composing in PEN sometimes.

My biggest problem in composing was that I did composing from trial and error instead of working from a concept. And I reworked stuff to death while composing. Doing it pen forces you to move on (at least at that session).

This works (honest).

I didn't write anything yesterday (putting together syllabus) so today is the the day. Will post results in a few hours.
 
One more suggestion that most people will ignore.

Do your composing in PEN sometimes.

My biggest problem in composing was that I did composing from trial and error instead of working from a concept. And I reworked stuff to death while composing. Doing it pen forces you to move on (at least at that session).

This works (honest).

I didn't write anything yesterday (putting together syllabus) so today is the the day. Will post results in a few hours.

What do you mean by that?

In pen? Do you mean to write it down manually? I really didn't understand.
 

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