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How Did You Start Out Gigging

How did you start gigging?

  • A. Worked out most/all the kinks with a band before playing in front of a crowd

    Votes: 48 18.5%
  • B. Jumped into the deep end with players better than me

    Votes: 142 54.6%
  • C. Jumped into the deep end with players as clueless or worse than me

    Votes: 70 26.9%

  • Total voters
    260
I take it the poll is supposed to indicate high/medium/low degrees of band preparedness before gigging?

I was already 38 before I took up bass, so I guess it was inevitable that at least some of the people I found to play with would be more experienced than me in the beginning. I first started jamming with some other guys around the same age and up, and we were awful, even though there was some good individual ability there. We only played a few songs at an open mic once and there's video to document how bad we could be.

But by then I had gotten the bug of an idea that I possibly COULD manage to play a real gig. That jam group broke up and there were a couple of abortive CL projects, basically each one taught me some mistakes to avoid. Eventually (still through CL) I got in with a group we wound up calling "Switchblade Beat." The guitarist was experienced, but largely in metal bands while this was more rock/pop oriented; the singer was an excellent singer but didn't have gigging-band experience, the drummer was the guitarist's son and not experienced. We had our first gig playing an opening set, because a friend of the guitarist's had a band with a new member who didn't know their full set yet, so we filled out the night. In retrospect I think we were pretty rough, but apparently we did well enough to get booked in there in our own right.

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That group played maybe a dozen gigs over a year and a half, I wound up quitting due to the guitarist's alcoholism and, as it happened, moved about an hour away about the same time. That was 2013. It was back to CL and some other projects, some that were abortive and some that got out and gigged a bit, but now I was generally playing with more experienced musicians and each group was a little tighter and hotter than the next. I had another year-and-a-half run with a classic/southern rock-focused cover band, that played a lot of cheap dives for $300 total, but played a LOT. That was about 2014-5, and was when I really started thinking of myself as a gigging musician who could EXPECT to get out there and put on a show.
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After that were a couple of projects that I took more initiative to launch; Longhand was essentially a revival of Switchblade Beat with a different (non-alcoholic) guitarist, but it wound up making me realize that I had grown beyond that first group. Six Cowards, in some ways, was my favorite project, covering modern alt/indie stuff with really good people. But it never got traction with bars or crowds and wound up with a revolving door of drummers, so I shut it down after a couple of years (by now we're up to 2017 or 18). One of the drummers who subbed with us has later said that he thinks we were ahead of the curve and would have been more successful five years later.

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(I also started wearing my hair short again).

I won't keep dragging this out; basically, while Six Cowards was winding down, I was getting involved with a circle of musicians that called ourselves the Granite State Rhythm Section. Weirdly, that group never really got out gigging as a band in its own right other than once or twice, but the circle has spun out into various other, busier projects. Some of those guys now have a group I'm not in, called the Dancing Yetis, but I play with them as the backing band for Blues Brothers: the Next Generation, and my bread-and-butter classic-rock bar band, Mugshot Monday, started with three of us who were GSR alums.
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OK, so you just wanted a poll, and there's my whole history in bands for the last 16 years. I guess the point is that I didn't start out with a group that was all practiced and polished at the start, but we weren't all clueless either. Over the years there's been a certain feel that I've been climbing up the food chain. I'm not in the top/best/busiest working bands in my market, and likely never will be. But there's definitely been an upward curve from the starting point. It's a matter of keep learning, keep practicing, keep hustling, and pay attention to what dynamics make a band work.
 
I find your poll questions confusing...
Does anyone ever jump on stage without at least some rehearsal? [Maybe it has happened...] So for me, [A] is not applicable...
In my first working band, we had a 'seasoned' singer. Turns out he was the biggest drag on progress, because he kept saying 'we're not ready' or 'we're not tight enough' when it was obvious to me that we were at a lever at least as good as other gigging bands. Sure enough, no sooner had we booked a gig than he dropped out... Leaving the guys who were 'as clueless as me.'
And the thing about the music business is that it exists on two axes... There's the music, and then there's the business.
The vector sum of those two factors needs to be above some critical threshold for success.
I've worked with excellent musicians who were clueless about the business side.
And there are plenty of bands who work consistently despite being mediocre musically.
But motivated people can grow on both axes with work and awareness.
As sidemen, this growth is rarely a straight line, IME, because we need to attach ourselves to projects over which we rarely have total control.
I don't see very many projects growing from garage band to headliner with the same lineup and management.
 
i got my union card (A.F. of M.) when i was ~14 so that i could play with the 'old guys' (experienced) in the restaurants/bars/dives. i also had my own 'kid band' and we played union and non-union venues (lots of 'teen venues'), locally, and in the midwest (ages 15-18+). i played saxes then. i didn't start playing bass until ~25 y.o.

i feel i've "continued to grow" --- i still gig, record, write, and arrange for myself and others.

i voted "B. Jumped into the deep end with players better than me."
 
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With 35 years of gigging under my belt, charting out the entire journey here would take awhile. I had a great run, including an original band in the mid-90s/early 2000s that went through 2 major label record deals. But after the work with my last cover band dried up over a year ago, I decided to stop gigging altogether. I lost interest even before the work dried up, and I have zero desire to start over or look for another band.
 
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Played a year end party at a bar/ restaurant I worked at as a lark. We sounded terrible and one main reason was I was the lead singer. But we got the bug and decided to do another [free] gig, which required me to play 3 notes on the bass. That was that.
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Six years and some rudimentary practices later I was getting paid to play. That was 1986, over 3K gigs & 6 full length original albums ago. I've been doing it nonstop ever since.
 
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I guess we could've been more prepared when I started gigging. First gig was original material that wasn't very good, but nobody was listening and we weren't paid, so it's all good.
Our soul band could have had more practice or at least someone could've listened that the rhythm section and horn section were playing in the same key 🫣
But umm, I've played with players better than me and worse than me, we've been ill prepared and well prepared.
Now I play in a band where I first met our guitar player/multi-instrumentalist 30 minutes before our first gig. Free improv, you see.
 
I met Mike Wheeler the first day of high school. Our teacher had everyone introduce them-self to the students around them and tell them what they'd like to do after graduation. Mike turned around and said “Hi, I want to be a musician.”
I told him that I was taking guitar lessons (I started guitar to impress a girl). He asked me if I wanted to join a band. This was Sept 1962.
Our first “gig” was at a Moose club in which Mikes father was a member.
We only knew three songs: “Walk Don't Run”, “Pipeline” and Ricky Nelson's “For Your Sweet Love“. When we finished the applause was amazing, but most of the audience consisted of family and friends. I think we played those same three songs 3 or 4 times before the night was through. A collection was taken up and we all came home with a few dollars (a lot of money for a 14 year old in '63).

An excerpt from Vernon Joynson's garage band compendium "FUZZ ACID AND FLOWERS"

The Ebb Tides were formed in Columbus, Ohio in early 1963 by three 14-year-old high-school friends, along with a local 10 year old drummer. Promotion by a local DJ enabled the band to have their name aired frequently on local rock station WCOL in exchange for playing station sponsored sock hops.
In 1964, while playing at an off-midway show at the Ohio State Fair, the band was heard by a talent scout from WBNS, a local CBS affiliate,and was asked to play that night at the station's pavilion. Crowd reaction was so favorable the band was contracted to perform nightly for the remainder of the fair. This engagement leads to multiple appearances on the local TV show 'Dance Party'. One of these appearances caught the interest of a regional music promoter.
Hired by Variety Attractions in 1965, the band signed to do an eleven state, three Canadian province tour with the variety show 'Shindig All-StarReview'. The cast consisted of from 11 to 17 personnel including vocalists, Go-Go girls and a popular dance team. The band backed headliners such as Bobby Sherman, Del Shannon, Joann Castle and the Mills brothers. They also opened for The New Colony Six, Terry Knight and The Pack and The Byrds.
 
I founded my first band in 72, roughly 2 months after getting my first bass, and having had about 8 lessons. I was 13 and in the 8th grade at Sierra junior high.
None of us 4 guys had any experience being a group. None.
But both guitars and I took lessons from the same teacher, and the drummer had been playing with school band and orchestra.
50s revival was huge at the time due to American Graffiti, so I got the bright idea to do a 50s act. I went to the local sheet music store and bought a book called "100 greatest songs of the 50s". We picked out 3 songs.
Kansas City....Pipeline...and Sealed with a kiss.
We talked to the Choir teacher at school, and he arranged for us to feature at the spring concert after the choir performed.
Some of the girls in choir heard about our plan and showed up in pony tails and poodle skirts.
We rolled up our jeans and greased our hair back in ducktails.
We called ourselves " Flash Edsel and the Desoto kids". A blatant rip off of Flash Cadillac and the Continental kids, who were a ripping good 50s act at the time.
We played our 3 songs, the kids went wild, the girls squealed and danced.
The next day, I was much,much,much cooler than I had been.
The die was cast.
 
Where I was, back in the late '70s/early '80s ... if you had a guitar, you were in a band. Some of us had talent and training and I was not one of them. Gigging was more of a function of who you knew and could get you into a venue. I suspect that isn't really responsive to your question. But on my latest dance around the edge of the music world, it was a message from God ... well, you know, from one of his A&R reps on earth, who needed another guitar for Sundays (and later a bass ...) and that's been my steady gig ever since.
 
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I mean, it's been almost 35 years. Back in the early 90s, we just got together and played some cover tunes for a month or 2 and then hit the ground running. I was 14 at the time. We were prepared enough to not screw it up, but we had no idea what we were doing. Of that band, only 2 of us are still playing. After that, I got myself hooked up with better players and eventually got to a level where I became respected as a bassist who had his act together, knew how to play in the pocket, and showed up on time and sober. That's all it takes sometimes :laugh:
 
The options above don't quite apply to me. I picked up bass as a teen. As soon as I did, a friend got his grandfather's small Ludwig kit out of the attic and we hooked up with a newbie guitarist. We just jammed on song riffs at first, then tried to learn full songs. We played a school talent show, found a singer, and started playing parties and other freebie shows.

Phase 2: real gigging. A few years later I was more experienced and was in another band with musicians roughly my level, including my guitarist brother and a decent vocalist. We talked about gigging. So we started with low paying gigs at schools ("teen clubs"), and with those on our resume we contacted a talent agency and started getting various other gigs...

...including our first taste of gigging at bars that feature live music. I wanted to work out more kinks before doing these, but the others wanted to go so we did. From there we opened for some top local bands at larger venues, and after a couple few years we would occasionally headline those venues.


TL;DR: I started out gigging with peers. Again, I wanted more polish before playing the "real gigs", but I believe the others were correct to work out the remaining (minor) kinks onstage. As the cliche goes, "perfect is the enemy of good enough". Nothing beats the experience of playing live in front of an audience, so it was good that we went out and got it.

PS I continued gigging to this day, and since Y2K have become busier than ever, playing almost every weekend alternating between a bunch of bands.
 
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The first time I ever played on a stage? It was 1980, I was 8 years old playing tonettes and autoharps in our 4th-grade music class.

The first time I was ever paid to play on a stage? It was 1990, I was 18 years old subbing on sax with a band I had never played with before at the diviest possible bar in Carey, Ohio about 60 miles away from home on a winter storm night that made the drive 3 hours each way.

First gig playing bass? Shortly after I took up bass in 1993... bunch of bros in my college dorm put together a band and after a few months jacking around we played at a local dive bar in Bowling Green, Ohio.

40-some years on and countless gigs and the rest is history...
 
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Perfection is the enemy of progress/productivity.
If you get into a situation where one or more individuals in the group want to work on things to absolute perfection, odds are you're never going to get out and play. Booking a gig is the single biggest motivator (for me anyway) to get your stuff together as nobody wants to look like a fool on the bandstand.

One of my first gigging bands was the best rehearsing bands (efficient and very productive) that set the standard for me.

Ideally, you want to play with equal or better players so that you have to work to achieve something.