How hard is it to load a 100lb cab?

[Passinwind]

The alley behind the house leading downhill is just as impossible to roll thru because there's no stairs or paved sloping walkway, jjust grass, bark, & mud in the rainy season (Nov1-July5 Oct 30.)

Fixed it for you. I love the Pacific Northwet though.

 

[MJ_Sotti]

Where I come from, people work hard pretty much everyday (lifting way more than 100lbs daily) and do just fine. My grandpa was a physical worker and had his 88th birthday couple weeks ago. Unfortunately dementia took over but his back is great

BTW where you from?

 

[Downunderwonder]

The 410 format is Dodo. Get a pair of 210 and reap multiple benefits.

I am a 210 vertical stack believer!!

 

[dbsfgyd1]

This is the first 2 years of the last 20 that i haven't lived in a 2nd-4th floor apartment. Sure... they mostly had closet sized elevators, but a 3rd floor one was a walkup... & that's actually where i lived when i started playing.

More recently i joined a 2nd project where the band rehearses at the drummers house in town... She lives on a hillside with stairs >
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The alley behind the house leading downhill is just as impossible to roll thru because there's no stairs or paved sloping walkway, jjust grass, bark, & mud in the rainy season (Nov1-July5.)

My 600/900w GB Shuttle/Streamliner atop the matching NeoX 212 was a great investment

Ah yes. I see what you mean. Having lived in my own houses since 1977, of which we’re purchased in consideration of moving things in and out of them (currently a rancher with an attached garage with a paved driveway), I forget there are other living conditions. Thanks for the reminder.

 

[Frank77]

BTW where you from?

If I had to take a guess, I'd say the Scottish highlands: I hear they routinely perform the cab(er) toss over there.

 

[Sparkl]

Barefaced Bass - Big Twin 2

Ah right. That's my old "current gear". Forgot to update it. Sold the bt2 long ago and traded for the aggie db410. Never looked back.

 

[guy n. cognito]

Ah right. That's my old "current gear". Forgot to update it. Sold the bt2 long ago and traded for the aggie db410. Never looked back.

Ah, so it is a recent occurrence that you use cabs that don’t invalidate your “man card”. Gotcha.

Did the strapping people of your country make fun of you when you used those cabs?

 

[mcnach]

Ah, so it is a recent occurrence that you use cabs that don’t invalidate your “man card”. Gotcha.

Did the strapping people of your country make fun of you when you used those cabs?

!!!

 

[Sparkl]

Ah, so it is a recent occurrence that you use cabs that don’t invalidate your “man card”. Gotcha.

Did the strapping people of your country make fun of you when you used those cabs?

Hehehe.

Let me simply just say that we just tend to not give a poop whether something weighs 50 or 100lbs. We have bandmates to help us carry the stuff anyways.

Btw - it is the design of the cab that breakes or makes your back not the weight. As long as you carry a load properly all is fine.

The Big Twin 2 was very lightweight for the output but its size and design made it pretty awkward to carry it around. Not blaming the brand or the model though, most 2x12 cabs are amazingly annoying to carry.

 

[Sparkl]

BTW where you from?

Slovenia.

 

[guy n. cognito]

Hehehe.

Let me simply just say that we just tend to not give a poop whether something weighs 50 or 100lbs. We have bandmates to help us carry the stuff anyways.

Btw - it is the design of the cab that breakes or makes your back not the weight. As long as you carry a load properly all is fine.

The Big Twin 2 was very lightweight for the output but its size and design made it pretty awkward to carry it around. Not blaming the brand or the model though, most 2x12 cabs are amazingly annoying to carry.

The bravado wanes....

My Berg CN212 is a pleasure to carry. I can carry it with a double Mono bag on my back as well.

One of the ways I choose to help my band mates is by choosing good sounding, lightweight gear that doesn’t require team lift. I sound good, schelp my own gear, and save more time for moving PA and other heavy things. And no one snickers or questions my manhood for it, either. Funny how that works...

 

[Sparkl]

The bravado wanes....

My Berg CN212 is a pleasure to carry. I can carry it with a double Mono bag on my back as well.

One of the ways I choose to help my band mates is by choosing good sounding, lightweight gear that doesn’t require team lift. I sound good, schelp my own gear, and save more time for moving PA and other heavy things. And no one snickers or questions my manhood for it, either. Funny how that works...

I am not questioning anyones manhood. It does make me wonder though if some people workout at all. Because having a broken back from lifting a 100lbs cab with a help of a friend (and lifting properly) is absolutely weird. I mean come on, this isn't even close to the humans carrying treshold. Its not even close to someone doing physical work in a factory.

I appreciate your interest in the lightweight gear, I simply tested almost all mainstream cabs currently on sale (including Bergs) and they just don't compare with Aggies or Ampegs etc. The thing that irritates me the most with the lights is the lack of harmonic dynamics. They mostly all sound dull and lifeless compared to well designed ceramics.

Edit: As I have said previously in other topics, the only brand I would entrust to sell me a lightweight cab is Vanderkley or Barefaced 10 series. But these are ceramics and immediately sound light years better then their neo 12 series.

 

[Lance Bunyon]

I am not questioning anyones manhood. It does make me wonder though if some people workout at all. Because having a broken back from lifting a 100lbs cab with a help of a friend (and lifting properly) is absolutely weird. I mean come on, this isn't even close to the humans carrying treshold. Its not even close to someone doing physical work in a factory.

I appreciate your interest in the lightweight gear, I simply tested almost all mainstream cabs currently on sale (including Bergs) and they just don't compare with Aggies or Ampegs etc. The thing that irritates me the most with the lights is the lack of harmonic dynamics. They mostly all sound dull and lifeless compared to well designed ceramics.

Edit: As I have said previously in other topics, the only brand I would entrust to sell me a lightweight cab is Vanderkley or Barefaced 10 series. But these are ceramics and immediately sound light years better then their neo 12 series.

Have you tried a blind test? Seems to me you might be hearing with your eyes.
"Oh no another neodymium SL cab. This can't Sound good..."

 

[pcake]

back when i was younger and stronger, i used to load my 185 pound stack in 3 pieces. the heaviest was the 18" cab, and it probably was about 100 pounds, as i recall. i had a hatchback, which i bought specifically to deal with heavy cabs. it was easy for me then, although nowadays with my torn rotator cuff and tendonitis, i wouldn't even attempt it.

 

[StereoPlayer]

I am not questioning anyones manhood. It does make me wonder though if some people workout at all. Because having a broken back from lifting a 100lbs cab with a help of a friend (and lifting properly) is absolutely weird. I mean come on, this isn't even close to the humans carrying treshold. Its not even close to someone doing physical work in a factory.

I appreciate your interest in the lightweight gear, I simply tested almost all mainstream cabs currently on sale (including Bergs) and they just don't compare with Aggies or Ampegs etc. The thing that irritates me the most with the lights is the lack of harmonic dynamics. They mostly all sound dull and lifeless compared to well designed ceramics.

Edit: As I have said previously in other topics, the only brand I would entrust to sell me a lightweight cab is Vanderkley or Barefaced 10 series. But these are ceramics and immediately sound light years better then their neo 12 series.

Just curious, how old are you? Many of us here are older. People are different. Don’t judge everyone by your standards. I used to be strong as can be. Lift and carry things easily. I can still do it today but wouldn’t/can’t do that today.

I sill lug this around, but do have lightweight gear.

Don’t judge people.

 

[Sparkl]

Have you tried a blind test? Seems to me you might be hearing with your eyes.
"Oh no another neodymium SL cab. This can't Sound good..."

Believe it or not, I did. Amazingly enough, the best sounding combination to my blind test was a fender bassman clone paired up with 2x15 beymas older than the earth itself. Each note was singing, never had such a nice present, pronounced low end before (I do replicate this now very well with the svt3pro and db410 so am happy with it), it felt great.

Then I plugged my BF BT2 immediately, expecting a similar or even better result and ended up greatly dissapointed. Dull, no life, low end was all over the place... I am not trying to offend the brand or a product, but these words describe it very well.

 

[Sparkl]

Just curious, how old are you? Many of us here are older. People are different. Don’t judge everyone by your standards. I used to be strong as can be. Lift and carry things easily. I can still do it today but wouldn’t/can’t do that today.

I sill lug this around, but do have lightweight gear.

Don’t judge people.
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I am 26 and yes I understand that I have yet to experience the ageing process and all that.

But this isn't my point here at all. People here have misinterpretated my message. I am just trying to break the stereotype of people blaming heavy gear for their broken backs. While they might very well be the culprit, it mostly has nothing to do with the condition. You aren't lifting cabs 100x a day unless you work as a rodie for 20 bands or something. And lifting them properly (always asking for help) ensures that you should never have problems with your back because of transporting a 100lbs cab. As said previously, there are people lifting way more on a daily basis (factories, warehouses etc) and manage to get through.

The most important thing is to lift properly and avoid showing off. Yes, it is badass if you carry a 100lbs cab in one hand and bass in another in front of the chicks but this backfires later in life for sure.

And why would it be a stress for a bandmate to help you carry the rig? Guitarists still play on the old tube amps and consider them mostly the only way of having a good sound. A typical tube guitar combo weighs more than my DB410. So naturally, you help them carry it. Or you help carrying the drummers hardware. It takes 1 minute to carry a 410 from your van to the stage. Team work always pays off and enables you to enjoy your gear as it is supposed to and not trying to shave off 0.5lbs off a cab and call it a deal breaker if you can't do it, sacrificing tone and making it wobbly in return. My simple humble opinion is that this has become way exagerrated.

It is similar with bass guitars. Sadowskys chambered bodies might seem like a good idea on paper but in reality it feels like playing on a cardboard as the body is too light. I tried them and greatly preferred the nonchambered metros. Much more solid and sits nicely in your lap, making a good platform for all sorts of techniques.

Ok I admit - given my age, I am not concerning myself too much about the weight thing. But (!!) I am also always very respectful to the load and always lift things properly and without showing off. I always ask a bandmate to help me out with it. I guess I learned that while working as a lumberjack for some years where I quickly realised that you aren't supposed to fight the logs with force but with smarts.

For small gigs I do have a lightweight combo but man everytime I plug back to either the RBH410 or DB410 it blows it away like wind blowing a candle.

 

[StereoPlayer]

I am 26 and yes I understand that I have yet to experience the ageing process and all that.

But this isn't my point here at all. People here have misinterpretated my message. I am just trying to break the stereotype of people blaming heavy gear for their broken backs. While they might very well be the culprit, it mostly has nothing to do with the condition. You aren't lifting cabs 100x a day unless you work as a rodie for 20 bands or something. And lifting them properly (always asking for help) ensures that you should never have problems with your back because of transporting a 100lbs cab. As said previously, there are people lifting way more on a daily basis (factories, warehouses etc) and manage to get through.

The most important thing is to lift properly and avoid showing off. Yes, it is badass if you carry a 100lbs cab in one hand and bass in another in front of the chicks but this backfires later in life for sure.

And why would it be a stress for a bandmate to help you carry the rig? Guitarists still play on the old tube amps and consider them mostly the only way of having a good sound. A typical tube guitar combo weighs more than my DB410. So naturally, you help them carry it. Or you help carrying the drummers hardware. It takes 1 minute to carry a 410 from your van to the stage. Team work always pays off and enables you to enjoy your gear as it is supposed to and not trying to shave off 0.5lbs off a cab and call it a deal breaker if you can't do it, sacrificing tone and making it wobbly in return. My simple humble opinion is that this has become way exagerrated.

It is similar with bass guitars. Sadowskys chambered bodies might seem like a good idea on paper but in reality it feels like playing on a cardboard as the body is too light. I tried them and greatly preferred the nonchambered metros. Much more solid and sits nicely in your lap, making a good platform for all sorts of techniques.

Ok I admit - given my age, I am not concerning myself too much about the weight thing. But (!!) I am also always very respectful to the load and always lift things properly and without showing off. I always ask a bandmate to help me out with it. I guess I learned that while working as a lumberjack for some years where I quickly realised that you aren't supposed to fight the logs with force but with smarts.

For small gigs I do have a lightweight combo but man everytime I plug back to either the RBH410 or DB410 it blows it away like wind blowing a candle.

I blame my 35 years of hard shop labor for my body aches. Nothing to do with moving band equipment.

 

[StereoPlayer]

I am 26 and yes I understand that I have yet to experience the ageing process and all that.

But this isn't my point here at all. People here have misinterpretated my message. I am just trying to break the stereotype of people blaming heavy gear for their broken backs. While they might very well be the culprit, it mostly has nothing to do with the condition. You aren't lifting cabs 100x a day unless you work as a rodie for 20 bands or something. And lifting them properly (always asking for help) ensures that you should never have problems with your back because of transporting a 100lbs cab. As said previously, there are people lifting way more on a daily basis (factories, warehouses etc) and manage to get through.

The most important thing is to lift properly and avoid showing off. Yes, it is badass if you carry a 100lbs cab in one hand and bass in another in front of the chicks but this backfires later in life for sure.

And why would it be a stress for a bandmate to help you carry the rig? Guitarists still play on the old tube amps and consider them mostly the only way of having a good sound. A typical tube guitar combo weighs more than my DB410. So naturally, you help them carry it. Or you help carrying the drummers hardware. It takes 1 minute to carry a 410 from your van to the stage. Team work always pays off and enables you to enjoy your gear as it is supposed to and not trying to shave off 0.5lbs off a cab and call it a deal breaker if you can't do it, sacrificing tone and making it wobbly in return. My simple humble opinion is that this has become way exagerrated.

It is similar with bass guitars. Sadowskys chambered bodies might seem like a good idea on paper but in reality it feels like playing on a cardboard as the body is too light. I tried them and greatly preferred the nonchambered metros. Much more solid and sits nicely in your lap, making a good platform for all sorts of techniques.

Ok I admit - given my age, I am not concerning myself too much about the weight thing. But (!!) I am also always very respectful to the load and always lift things properly and without showing off. I always ask a bandmate to help me out with it. I guess I learned that while working as a lumberjack for some years where I quickly realised that you aren't supposed to fight the logs with force but with smarts.

For small gigs I do have a lightweight combo but man everytime I plug back to either the RBH410 or DB410 it blows it away like wind blowing a candle.

I guess I just don’t agree with you. Bassist as I see it in general seem to going for the lightweight gear these days.
Heavy or light, it’s all good.
I didn’t agree with your posts other that you like what you like.
I’m done here. /thread.

 

[Sparkl]

I blame my 35 years of hard shop labor for my body aches. Nothing to do with moving band equipment.

Well the general consensus here on TB is that heavyweight eq is a back breaker which I simply disagree with. It is poor lifting technique which breaks your back and it will break it whether you are lifting a 100lbs or a 50lbs cab.