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How many song to learn is reasonable for an initial try-out?

Another tangent....

How about an artist that uses different band members from one album to another? Or one that uses a different band in the studio than on tour? Let's use James Brown as an example. I wonder if Tim Drummond played all the bass lines from the Bootsy era just like Bootsy when he toured with JB. If he didn't would the band be doing it wrong? If it were different, could it really have been an improvement on what one of the most influential bassists of the Funk era did?

I was joking.
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An "improvement" is such a personal judgement I wouldn't even offer it as criteria for what constituted a legitimate performance... then again, I didn't offer it so all is well.
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I've heard lots of live recordings by Zep, and you are correct. According to some, they didn't always get their songs done right. Jimmy Page always played with a Les Paul live, even though he did recordings with an acoustic or with a Telecaster. And what about the songs where there were more than one guitar track? They would have been doing it wrong.

If you're looking at doing it like the recording or "improving on it", you can also say that no-one has ever done Hotel California correctly, including the Eagles since it has something like 7 guitar parts and they don't do it that way on stage.

Jimmy Page always played with a Les Paul live?

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And no need to be so literal. I'm talking about the parts that matter, not duplicating multi-guitar layering.

Led Zeppelin was highly improvisational live. So when we don't do a track by them just like the Studio Version, we likely are duplicating a particularly good live version. We still aren't going to do any of them lacking the feel, or missing parts we know the audience will want to hear.
 
Well, I stand corrected. I always thought the Danelectro and Tele were the studio only.

Yes, Zep was improvisational live. Some nights were better than others. To me, that's what makes the music exciting. That's why to some, it's sloppy.

You can definitely count me in the "exciting" camp.

I hope you've seen some of the stuff where Page got out the acoustic, John Paul Jones got out the Mandolin, and Plant and Bonham sang in harmony. Page was singing too, but I've never been able to pick him out of the mix.

I can't remember if Jonesy sang or not.
 
You can definitely count me in the "exciting" camp.

I hope you've seen some of the stuff where Page got out the acoustic, John Paul Jones got out the Mandolin, and Plant and Bonham sang in harmony. Page was singing too, but I've never been able to pick him out of the mix.

I can't remember if Jonesy sang or not.

IMO, Page was a better acoustic player than electric. IMO, his best guitar work was the acoustic stuff of Zep III.
 
IMO, Page was a better acoustic player than electric. IMO, his best guitar work was the acoustic stuff of Zep III.

I love all of Jimmy's playing, and can't think of one bad note by Led Zeppelin. I have a friend I've known since high school, and he once asked me, in all seriousness, "has there EVER been a better guitar player than Jimmy Page?" and I said, "well, Roy Clark..."

You'd have thought I shot him.
 
I love all of Jimmy's playing, and can't think of one bad note by Led Zeppelin. I have a friend I've known since high school, and he once asked me, in all seriousness, "has there EVER been a better guitar player than Jimmy Page?" and I said, "well, Roy Clark..."

You'd have thought I shot him.

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Well that was sooner than expected :rolleyes::eek:

Wow, somebody is one creepy dude. Now, I'm getting "love letters" from BW in my e-mail from my band website. For the record, I never reported him. I just threw him back on ignore and went about my day. But somehow in his twisted mind, he probably thinks I'm the reason he got banned. Somebody needs to grow up. Someone needs to get some therapy...seriously.
 
The Van Halen cover of "You Really got Me" is your example of an improvement?

Definitely. I think it's a much better groove, and I rarely say that about a Van Halen cover. I did not think they improved "You're No Good" by Linda Ronstadt, and I did not think they improved "Dancing in the Streets." I did not think David Lee Roth improved "California Girls," and I most CERTAINLY don't think VH improved the classic Roy Orbison "Pretty Woman."

But "You Really Got Me" by the Kinks is a good song, with kind of a stale, 60's arrangement (in my opinion, obviously,) and not one of my favorite Kinks songs. It didn't play too well to the late seventies/early eighties teenage set, (which I was one of,) but that VH cover certainly did. Thanks to hearing that, I went back and discovered the entire Kinks back catalogue, and their sense of humor and tunefulness.

To this day I would rather hear the Kinks sing "Lola," but VH's version of "You Really Got Me."
 
Hey Matt,
I made it through most of this thread and read quite a few vrey solid words of advice. I would just like to add the following:
At the audition, relax and be yourself. Very often the "hang" is as important as the notes. The music will flow!
Playing every note as it was recorded is a cage in which you do not want to reside.
To qoute a long time fellow TB'er, "If You're Not Part of the Groove, You're Part of the Problem". Words to live by!!
Play with space as well as notes. Sometimes, "The groove is in the space". I said that and you can qoute me!
And lastly, be careful of a few "7/4" moments in the outro on "I Love R&R".

Kirk