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How to connect two cabs (4 & 8 Ohm) and two heads (Markbass)

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Syl_Funky_bass, Jan 10, 2020.


  1. Syl_Funky_bass

    Syl_Funky_bass

    Jun 4, 2016
    Hi All,

    I own two cabinets:
    1. Markbass 410 HF (4 Ohm), power rating 800W.

    2. Markbass 212 Ninja (8 Ohm), power rating 800W.

    My two heads:

    1. Little Mark 3:
    • 500 Watt @ 4 Ohm
    • 300 Watt @ 8 Ohm

    Here is my question: what is the most simple and efficient way to connect them all together without running any risk to damage my equipment?

    Many thanks in advance guys.

    Kind rgds,
    Syl
     
  2. Iirc some Markbass heads have parallel fx ''loops'' which preclude the usual fx send to fx return piggybacking slave amp routine.

    A/B/Y splitter on the bass to each amp input might be easiest.
     
  3. JimChjones

    JimChjones

    Aug 6, 2017
    SE England
    Or a Stereo FX pedal...
    FX send on one to FX return on the other should work too.
     
  4. Syl_Funky_bass

    Syl_Funky_bass

    Jun 4, 2016
    Thanks for the insight guys.

    Would any of the above suggested options cause any loss as far as sound quality/signal is concerned?

    If I understood well, I have the choice between an ABY splitter or a Stereo FX pedal?

    Concerning my two amp heads, one (the Little Market Ninja 1000 Watts) is much more powerful than the other (Little Mark 3, 500 Watts). Can you please give me any insight as far as power distribution between the two cabs is concerned?

    I actually have the same question concerning both pre-amps? How are they "used"? What's going on when I'm turning the knobs on both heads?
    Ideally I would like to use only the preamp of the more powerful head.

    Thank you in advance and sorry for my noob questions.
     
  5. JimChjones

    JimChjones

    Aug 6, 2017
    SE England
    Not altogether sure what you're wanting to know tbh. What value do you think there is in running both amps instead of just one?

    You didn't mention the Ninja before. If you were to use all that power you could certainly destroy your cabs, not to mention your ears.
    Counter intuitively the safest option appears to me to be to run the 1000 into the 212 at 8ohm, in which case the 1000 is specified to deliver 600W, which gives a reasonable safety margin, and the little Mark into the 4ohm cab, 500W, so again a reasonable safety margin.

    A stereo FX pedal (or most anyway) with the FX off just acts as a splitter anyway, so there isn't much difference.

    If you want a single pre amp controlling both you could try running from FX loop out on one to FX loop in on the other. I don't know if that would be an approved config from Markbass though.

    But honestly, do you really need that much volume? Your ears won't thank you. Nor, most likely, will venues or even audience. Either of those combinations should provide a loud enough rig.
     
    Last edited: Jan 10, 2020
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  7. Syl_Funky_bass

    Syl_Funky_bass

    Jun 4, 2016
    Thanks a lot for for the great insight.

    To put it simply: I don't specifically need/want two amps powering two speakers.

    Thing is I first acquired a Markbass 410 HF (4 ohm) and a Little Markbass 3. I've always loved this rig.

    But recently I realized I needed something more portable while keeping nearly as much power. After doing some search I came to the conclusion that the New York Ninja 212 + a Little Mark Ninja was the best option for that.

    However, I also think in some occasions I might need just a bit more than a single Ninja 212 so I decided to keep my 410 HF 4 ohm.

    Maybe another option would be to get a rid of my 410 (4 ohm) cab and Little Mark 3 and buy a second Ninja 212 cab? But I still love my 410...
    Then it would be: two 212 Ninja + Little Mark Ninja.

    If my 410 cab impedance was 8 Ohm instead of 4 Ohm I guess I could use only one head, the Little Mark ninja then, and add a 212 to the rig.
     
  8. Roland GR 88

    Roland GR 88

    Sep 16, 2013
    Whitby
    I would go with a second Ninja cab with your Ninja head so you can have a 600w small rig and a 1000w large rig. Just as they designed it,
     
  9. Syl_Funky_bass

    Syl_Funky_bass

    Jun 4, 2016
    Thanks. I'll consider that option indeed.
     
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  10. JimChjones

    JimChjones

    Aug 6, 2017
    SE England
    Selling the 410 in favour of a second 212 does seem like the logical option.
     
  11. lowendrv

    lowendrv

    Dec 12, 2007
    SoCal
    I've seen guys run two Little Mark's by running a stereo DI into the XLR input . Didn't pay attention to close . He was doubling , so one may have been for double bass and the other bass guitar .
     
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  12. Most important that you don't goof the connections of amps and speakers. It wouldn't be too difficult to plug one amp back into the other amp and cab to cab if your cables are long enough. Poof go the amps.
     
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  13. Jim Carr

    Jim Carr Dr. Jim Gold Supporting Member

    Jan 21, 2006
    Denton, TX or Kailua, HI
    fEARful Kool-Aid dispensing liberal academic card-carrying union member Musicians Local 72-147
    Oh, OK, so you have a Little Mark 3, and a Markbass Ninja? Your initial post lists only the Little Mark 3, right?
     
    Last edited: Jan 11, 2020
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  14. BurningSkies

    BurningSkies CRAZY BALDHEAD Supporting Member

    Feb 20, 2005
    Syracuse NY
    Endorsing artist: Dingwall Guitars

    Are you saying that you have TWO LM3's? If that's true, I'd run one to each cab then I'd run a send from one into the other.
     
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  15. lowendrv

    lowendrv

    Dec 12, 2007
    SoCal
    I think he is trying to keep from stacking eq's . On MarkBass stuff efx input (return) is pre eq .
     
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  16. Bassdirty

    Bassdirty

    Jul 23, 2010
    CT
    That's an odd thing..to me anyway. :confused:
     
  17. lowendrv

    lowendrv

    Dec 12, 2007
    SoCal
    Yeah . Never could figure that out . Got rid of my MarkBass head after a week .
     
  18. Syl_Funky_bass

    Syl_Funky_bass

    Jun 4, 2016
    Yes that's it. Just ordered a Markbass Ninja 212 and a Little Market Ninja.

    Sorry. I wasn't clear in my first post indeed.
     
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  19. Syl_Funky_bass

    Syl_Funky_bass

    Jun 4, 2016
    One Little Mark 3 & one Little Mark Ninja.

    Thanks.
     
  20. el murdoque

    el murdoque

    Mar 10, 2013
    Germany
    So the sensible thing to do is to use one head per cab. Does not really matter which. Just make sure that you operate within safe parameters. The wattage rating of the speakers usually means how much power they can take before the voice coil melts, but they usually will suffer mechanical damage long before that. So use your ears. Increase the volume carefully and as soon as you hear any kind of farting or distortion from the cab, you're getting into dangerous territory. Back off a bit. Mind that turning up the bass knob usually will push more watts into the cab, too - so know the limits of your equipment and never cross them.
    With that out of the way, you can use the line out (XLR) of one head into the FX return of the other head. unfortunately, Markbass is a bit off the mainstream on the FX loop, which is usually located between the preamp and the power amp. On Markbass amps, however, the FX return is affected by the EQ. You should get along by setting the receiving amp flat, though (all EQ controls at noon, all filters at zero).
    So after you've set all that to your liking, you can use the master on each amp to set the desired volume of the cab. This should get quite loud.
     
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