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How to cut through the band?

When your bridge pick up is at 10, and your neck pick up is at half...only the bridge pick up is on. For you to mix them both on Jazz basses you have to dial one down a bit, lets say 9 or 8...then dial the other down a bit, now you can mix them. If either one is at 10, you cant lower the other. You can have both on 10, thats ok.
 
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Thanks everyone for so much insight on this topic! I learned a lot from you guys. And I think I may have solved my problem. Sometimes I'm my own worst enemy - refusing to do what will actually help. This applies also to my life! Yikes! Don't even go there! :laugh:
 

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When your bridge pick up is at 10, and your neck pick up is at half...only the bridge pick up is on. For you to mix them both on Jazz basses you have to dial one down a bit, lets say 9 or 8...then dial the other down a bit, now you can mix them. If either one is at 10, you cant lower the other. You can have both on 10, thats ok.

Oh OK. Yes that's what I've noticed. Well I never did like the sound of the neck pickup anyway. I will probably switch to a P Bass one of these years.
 
There is no clear answer to this problem, because the problem is caused by the specific frequencies that the other band members' instruments (*cough* guitar *cough*) occupy which compete with your bass guitar, and the specific frequency response that your particular combination of equipment will produce (and can be exacerbated by the room in which you are playing, etc.).

Listen to a recorded song in which you can clearly hear the bass. Typically there has been sonic "space" carved out of the mix in order to facilitate this; consider that this space is typically created by EQ cuts applied to other instruments, so that the bass can be heard clearly.

In a live performance situation, band members are practically never this aware of the problem and how it affects the other members, and/or are rarely so altruistic that they are willing to do this for each other. I single out guitar players in particular because they usually believe (and, often, rightly so) that, BY THEMSELF, they sound "best" with a full sound that occupies as much of the frequency spectrum as possible. While this may be true, in a band situation they are obviously no longer playing "by themself" and would make the entire band sound better with a few judicious EQ cuts. A good soundman will do this at FOH ("Man, that guy always makes us sound amazing!") because it's a common problem, but it usually doesn't solve the problem on-stage.

So. If you can't get the other members of the band to turn down their low-mid and lower bass frequencies ("Hey y'all, I got that covered!") then what you need to do is to find "the hole." That is, find one of the specific and likely narrow ranges, probably most palatably somewhere in the low-to-center midrange (and perhaps also at the very bottom), to boost in the frequency spectrum so that you can be heard. This will be a gap of sorts in the frequency spectrum that is least occupied by others. Finding it can be more easily done with a frequency-sweepable equalizer (i.e. para- or semi-parametric eq) so that you can boost a frequency and "sweep" it in order to find the right frequency to boost so that you can be heard. Often, once you find that magic frequency, you won't have to find it again if you continue to play with the same group of musicians.

That's how I do it, and I also suspect that this is how a lot of classic midrange-y bass tones have been born over the decades.
 
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To reiterate / clarify what many are saying... careful of lows (and maybe even low mids), try high mids and some treble, a touch of overdrive... and again, up that tone knob! My tone that I love in my band (live and recordings) I don't really like solo. Then again, I don't really play just to play a bass all by itself, all by myself.

Exactly. This is why I always use SS rounds and basses with the bridge pickup. I can reduce if I want, but when I need to cut through, I can reintroduce the highs/high mids with a quick turn of the tone knob.

Don't the SS rounds hurt your fingers? What gauge?
 
Wireless..i spend time way before anybody gets there while setting up the show..we run a few songs and we are all wireless and we have the sound board set right then..so when we go live (our intro is very built up and matches a backdrop)its on, sound guy just has to tweak minimally and just boost a solo here and there. when we play small its set exactly how we practice, with pa for singer only..very consistant gigs and sound

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you let the sound guy do his thing?
 

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I forgot to answer about string gauge. Lights. I actually prefer a heavier gauge in theory, but light gauge strings are important to preserve my neck because of the awful humidity fluctuations where I am. Very dry in the winter to very humid in the summer, so lights are safer (less tension) on the neck. While I'm learning to like them, I've liked since day one that they cut through the mix a little better than heavier gauges.

Remember that if you change gauge of string, you need to perform a setup to restore your neck relief and intonation.
 
In my opinion there are several likely factors causing your situation:

1. Tone Knob - Nothing new here many have already said this.
2. Amp - I always thought the Rumble sounded kind of muddy and not very deep. Me and my drummer did a side by side comparison of the Rumble with the JB Markbass and we were amazed at how much deeper AND cleaner the Markbass was compared to the Rumble regardless of various EQ settings (but Markbass cost about twice as much).
3. Playing with 2 guitars and a keyboard. There is no room for you at all UNLESS you go beneath everyone which leads me to my next point.
4. Strings - Just an idea but you may want to try Labella deep talkin bass Flats. Very clean and low sounding and could help you tremendously to stake out your very own sonic space with occasional visitation rights from the Bass drum only (not the keyboard).
5. Pick vs. Fingers - I personally think a pick gives a more defined note vs finger style and having said that I think fingers sound warmer fatter and cleaner with respect to pick click noise (but in a band setting the pick click noise will not really be heard anyways).
6. Limited Freq range - even after fixing all these other issues you still will probably have to stay above the 2nd octave E or F most of the time to really be heard well.

Of course as others have mentioned it could be the recording too.
 
Now I'm going through an overdrive pedal then a compressor. Both pickups full on to get rid of the 60hz hum and bass treble knob anywhere from half to full depending on the song.
My amp settings are bass knob at about 10 o'clock, low mid at 4'o'clock, high mid at 1:30 and treble at 12 noon.
I leave the "vintage" button on the rumble depressed because it gives me more to play with. So far the result is fantastic! Can't wait for my rehearsal next weekend to see how it sounds with the band. I'll post the results here. Yeah maybe I'll have to spring for a 410 cab eventually. Just hope I can fit it in my trunk without upgrading my ride too.
Thanks again all, I really learned a lot!
Dirk