The guy who served me yesterday at McDonald's is a former classmate of mine & a fellow veteran. It's kind of sad.
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Human Interaction - Who needs it?!
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slobake
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Well...without human interaction I can't order a "custom" burger at McDonalds.
Here currently I can go in there and tell 'em I want a Double Uncle Teen for example. They'll say "What's that?'
Then I explain how it's four layers of meat with two layers of cheese,onions and bacon etc etc.
Here currently I can go in there and tell 'em I want a Double Uncle Teen for example. They'll say "What's that?'
Then I explain how it's four layers of meat with two layers of cheese,onions and bacon etc etc.
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I would have no problem paying 50 cents more for my chicken sandwich if it facilitates hiring full time workers at > $10 an hour.
Thanks, R7.
You're right about Charlton Heston and the film. Though ironic, it's fitting, too, however. The point of the story is that in such a future, all will be crushed underfoot, pitted against each other, stripped of empathy and humanity, vying for scant resources. In that scenario there is no more left vs. right, conservative vs. liberal; there is only grinding existence before death, and the artificial yet non-negotiable separation of those few who have from the multitude who don't.
Yes, exactly correct - I've read the book and seen the film. So, going by your lucid interpretation of the story, if we exclude the grandiose partisan mumbo-jumbo that's soiling the landscape, it's eerily similar to the state of our society today... sadly.
~R7~
He probably already has one of those "realistic" life size dolls.Guy at work is really into the virtual reality gadgets. The other he said if they find a way to slap something on his @&$? while he's watching porn he will have no use for people whatsoever. This might be the end for mankind.
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Then people like you who feel that way should start tipping the employees at McDonalds. Next time you buy a chicken sandwich, just take two quarters, hand them over, and say, "Here's to make up for what I think you should be earning at this job." I know many people feel the same as you, and if enough people do that, problem solved.
Unskilled work is not meant to provide a living wage, that is a completely unsupportable and unsustainable invention.
I personally feel McDonalds charges quite enough for their food. If the prices went up, I could still afford to eat there, but not to provide a living wage for a guy standing at the fryer.
If standing at the fryer gets you a living wage, soon enough you'll have a lot of people setting their sites on standing at the fryer, and no higher than that. We'll be a nation of minimum living wage earners with no motivation toward education and acquiring higher skills, and we'll be dangerously short on higher skilled workers.
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slobake
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Yup, that's the problem around here we are bunch of lazy, unmotivated people. Of course production in this country has constantly grown while averge wages have not.
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slobake
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Every time there have been layoffs so the CEO can get his bonus I have been told,"Don't work harder, work smarter." 
No offense, but this is silly. The notion that people will pass up being doctors or architects to fry food for $15 an hour is ridiculous. You can make similar or better money as a garbage collector, do you see millions of high school kids dreaming to collect garbage and forgoing college because of it? This is just a variation of the same nonsense business owners used to spout when workers wanted 8 hr work days and the rest of things people take for granted today.
$15 an hour is also comparable to the salary of a new public school teacher......
You make some valid points here, but I'm not sure I agree with the above, depending on what you mean by 'skilled' workers. If you're including Trade workers, specifically in the Local Unions, the wages are more-than-adequate to live on. My son-in-law and some friends have various Union jobs, a few of whom started as laborers and eventually moved up to a specific skill position after a while, and there's no shortage of people trying to get a foot in that door.
Now, I do agree about the education thing, but that's an entirely different animal. Where I come from, there is and always has been the old Catch-22 with higher education. The tuition costs are totally unrealistic for lower-income families to even consider, which reduces the chances to academic or sports rides, and those odds are less likely than coming up with $150K for a decent school. Various financial aid programs are helpful, but still are not a viable option for many, and student loans? For the time it takes to get out from under those, you may as well go find the line for the Union gig.
Realistically, though - you hit the nail dead-center about the lack of motivation, even without the fryer earning substantial wages, the last few generations have their priorities all over the place. Things come too easy for a lot of them, raised on cable TV and video games, plus the lure of easy money on the streets is too inviting to many in these times. Sadly, the piece by Dr. Bob Moorehead I posted somewhere along this thread is the 'paradox of our times."
Sorry for the rant, but due to circumstances in my own experience, the subject of higher education hits a sensitive nerve.
Well, having your ideas called silly is kind of offensive, and I'm sure you know that.
I never said "all people," now did I? But certainly many people will be de-motivated when they can skate by waiting for the soda machine to fill a cup. There is nothing wrong with the concept of a "temporary job" that pays according to relative skill level or difficulty.
In addition to an appropriate wage, no company is even obligated to provide a full-time work week. Companies like McDonalds use a business model reliant on part-time workers. Again, that's the nature of these jobs, and no company using this model is doing anything wrong.
But I'm glad you put the emphasis on McDonalds, because if they are sitting on enough residual money to give employees a raise, they have an ethical obligation to do so. But passing that on to the consumer? There is no valid moral or ethical reason for that whatsoever.
Garbage collectors work their asses off, very physical, very difficult, all season work. Not a good comparison.
Some work place regulations make sense (like an eight-hour day). Some, not so much.
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No need to be sorry, great post, I understand right where you're coming from.
When I refer to "higher skilled," or "more difficulty," that can come in many forms and I was not specifically referring to higher education i.e. college.
Higher skills can come from a lot of sources, including OJT, trade school, self-education, etc. And some jobs may be relatively lower skill, but relatively higher intensity or difficulty.
You want to make a living wage with a company like McDonalds? Work your way into management, accept some real responsibility and learn all there is to doing that job well. Don't expect it doing a basic undemanding mechanical task that literally can be learned and mastered in one afternoon (or less).
I didn't call you silly, I called your statement silly. I've done both garbage collecting and food service. Garbage collection is much easier and actually cleaner. Not to mention safer. Plus, you don't have to deal with customers who detest you and assume everything you do is a lazy gentle trek through the day.
I don't disagree that unskilled jobs should be paid relative to the skill level. The difference is $8 isn't relative to most jobs anymore.
Lol, hair splitting is fun. I edited my post above. They're one in the same.
Just a personal observation and interpretation I guess. It looks to me like my garbage collectors are working harder than the guy standing at the fryer. I've worked fast food, so I know what goes into that too. YMMV.
If you have a problem with minimum wage, McDonalds doesn't control that.
I totally agree that the minimum wage, which is now a permanent part of our fabric, should rise equal to the rise in cost of living. But that's not the same as saying it should provide for a 40-hour work week and living wage.
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