Not everyone enjoys hearing the uppers mids and high end coming from the speakers. I do and I'll take thin over mud any day
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I am a Vertical 410 Believer!
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Not everyone enjoys hearing the uppers mids and high end coming from the speakers. I do and I'll take thin over mud any day
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Yup. When they get used together I cross fire them. Usually one is fine.
Well, if they don't want to hear that stuff then they can EQ accordingly. I don't know why you wouldn't want to hear what the audience is hearing so you can make adjustments as desired.Not everyone enjoys hearing the uppers mids and high end coming from the speakers. I do and I'll take thin over mud any day
The only downside I see to a tall stack (and even moreso for an 8x10) is that if you're (a) really cranking the volume and (b) standing directly in front of it, it could be just too damn loud. That's not a problem for me with either of my bands, which both play at reasonable volumes, but I could see it being an issue for folks who need to be louder but don't have enough room on stage to get farther from the rig.
Elevated speakers and vertical arrays do not work for everyone. Some prefer to have a 410 blowing high SPL sound at their knees. It doesn't have to be logical or make sense. But you don't have to convince me.
I like to have the speakers high enough to hear the full frequency response. Right at ear level is awesome in my book. IMHO, with a vertical array, ear level is best as the frequency response remains more consistent with distance from the speaker. If the array is too short, the high end disappears as you get closer to the speakers, and the sound opens up with distance. My Faital loaded dual 15 starts to open up around 12 to 15 feet from the cabinet. Any closer and the sound is too "traditional" for my taste. I need to try it with the cabinet elevated.
I don't need to be loud. Better to turn down so the awesome PA and huge subwoofers can sound even better. If other players want more bass...that's why they have monitor speakers or IEMs. If I plan to roam around the entire stage, I would prefer IEMs...with sufficient skills and resources that's the best option in my book.
Course if the PA sucks and my amp must carry the room, maybe I will rethink the situation and put my speakers on the floor to take advantage of floor coupling and reduce the amount of SPL focused directly at my ears.
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Too nice!
I suggest a padded cover to keep it looking new.
Also, set your HPF to around 60hz-80hz.
Tone for days.
What are all the measurements for rhe cab?
Thanks!
15” wide by 21” deep by 51” tall.
It’s true that it’s a bit more awkward to transport than a pair of 2 x 10s. But hey, I had a bunch of plywood just lying around already...
You might have gotten a bigger bottom end if you had put the woofers in the long side for a wider baffle. I don't know the maths on that but it's why cabs are usually less deep than wide.Thanks!
15” wide by 21” deep by 51” tall.
It’s true that it’s a bit more awkward to transport than a pair of 2 x 10s. But hey, I had a bunch of plywood just lying around already...
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I always thought cabs were built wide and shallow in order to accommodate 19” racks. Or to match the widths of the manufacturer’s other cabinet offerings, for stackability.
I don’t know much about this “baffling steppe” stuff, but lots of home hi-fi speakers are narrow and deep. Are they also sacrificing low-end extension?
Edit: Oh, I see. I’m not sacrificing low end. I’m sacrificing low end directionality. I’m good with that. I built a vertical array to maximize horizontal dispersion anyway. No prob.
I don’t know much about this “baffling steppe” stuff, but lots of home hi-fi speakers are narrow and deep. Are they also sacrificing low-end extension?
Edit: Oh, I see. I’m not sacrificing low end. I’m sacrificing low end directionality. I’m good with that. I built a vertical array to maximize horizontal dispersion anyway. No prob.
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True, but hopefully 2x112 was enough rig for the gig. 412 is pretty much overkill as far as nobody should need more stage output than the drums. Clue, he could play with the giant T stack not getting knocked over.
Here is what I came up with to go vertical. It's a GK Fussion 800 powering the two 210 cabs.
Hello Vertical lovers!
Did anyone tried to set their stack horizontally and compare to the vertical stack?
Do you found that the vertical stack is better for earing yourself on stage?
Making an vertical array of speakers is more coherent than a Square 4x10 for example because of phase issues on the horizontal axis.
Ref : Dave Rat videos.
Did anyone tried to set their stack horizontally and compare to the vertical stack?
Do you found that the vertical stack is better for earing yourself on stage?
Making an vertical array of speakers is more coherent than a Square 4x10 for example because of phase issues on the horizontal axis.
Ref : Dave Rat videos.
