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I don't "get" Eric Clapton

Yeah, I've heard that Fogerty bio is *not* pretty. I have a lot of respect for old CCR, so I'm just not gonna read it. Fleetwood mac? Feh - I never cared for them. But EC? Lord, he is an unapologetic jerk who is far more interested in fashion (?!?!?!) than guitar, if his autobiography is to be believed.

Fogarty and Prince are in a fairly exclusive club...that being musicians who've been sued for being themselves.

Despite his success, I don't envy Fogarty.

I've read a few bios, he definitely acted poorly as a young man when CCR was big. That being said, karma has kicked him in the tea bag pretty hard over that on several occasions since then. e.g. When he was sued for copying himself by his former label.
 
Despite his success, I don't envy Fogarty.

I've read a few bios, he definitely acted poorly as a young man when CCR was big. That being said, karma has kicked him in the tea bag pretty hard over that on several occasions since then. e.g. When he was sued for copying himself by his former label.
I saw his opening show of his tour here at the Austin Music Hall when he put out the then new record and got to use his name again. One of the best shows I have ever seen, but I'm not old enough to have seen CCR in their early hayday.
 
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I don't buy on any "the Greatest Guitarists Ever" either. To anyone of the great guitarist including Clapton. But speaking about 'Eric Clapton reached a lot of people'...has nothing to do with his guitar ability???
I'm sure it has something to do with it!

Oh and I'm the one who said I like Clapton as a good musician , songwriter ,vocalist. I think I'm not alone in this and I'm sure my musical taste is not bad nor strange.

I'm not defending Eric Clapton, I'm not his big fan either, actually, and I also read about how 'racist' he was in one stage speech moment long time ago -which I really hate. So no, I'm not a big fan. I'm just speaking what I feel about him & his music.

Perhaps my post didn't come across as intended...What I MEANT was that he didn't reach a lot of people STRICKELY BECAUSE of his guitar ability...he is a very talented guy and I think most people are in agreement with this and I am as well. Yes, he is a good all around performer, songwriter singer etc etc etc. The Original Poster is not disputing his contribution to music....he is talking about E.C. 's talent as a "GUITARIST". So in sticking to the ACTUAL THEME of the post , I stand by my statement.
 
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While we post our expertise about his assets and shortcomings....He plays!!!!:roflmao:
 
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That's what this site is all about. Discussion. It would be pretty boring if we all liked one kind of music or all played sunburst P basses with flats.

I see people who say they don't like the same basses that I do, or that don't like music that I like. I don't get my drawers in a bunch just because people don't like what I like.

But out-and-out bashing of anything just makes one look ignorant or narrow minded.
I also think it is very cool that you mentioned Phil Keaggy a somewhat unknown guitarist. His old stuff with Glass Harp is pretty good and I really like his Mystery Highway CD.
Someone mentioned Fleetwood Mac earlier. I would ask if they have heard the older stuff with Peter Greene. That was a very different band than the later version. Hey maybe you still won't like it , that's okay too.
BTW my online name slobake came about when I had a bakery. I combined slow hand with bake and came up with slobake.
 
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I also think it is very cool that you mentioned Phil Keaggy a somewhat unknown guitarist. His old stuff with Glass Harp is pretty good and I really like his Mystery Highway CD.
Someone mentioned Fleetwood Mac earlier. I would ask if they have heard the older stuff with Peter Greene. That was a very different band than the later version. Hey maybe you still won't like it , that's okay too.
BTW my online name slobake came about when I had a bakery. I combined slow hand with bake and came up with slobake.

That was me. If Mick Fleetwood and John McVie are in the band than I like it. Peter Green, Bob Welch, Lindsey Buckingham, the real magic is in the rhythm section for me.
 
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I also think it is very cool that you mentioned Phil Keaggy a somewhat unknown guitarist. His old stuff with Glass Harp is pretty good and I really like his Mystery Highway CD.
Someone mentioned Fleetwood Mac earlier. I would ask if they have heard the older stuff with Peter Greene. That was a very different band than the later version. Hey maybe you still won't like it , that's okay too.
BTW my online name slobake came about when I had a bakery. I combined slow hand with bake and came up with slobake.
Yeah right. All you San Franciscans are just a bunch of dope smoking hippies. :)
 
Ok, First off I'm a Bass Player, frankly I just don't get ANY Guitard!!! Period! I'm an old crust that likes Clapton in general. That said, let's face it he's really been in semi retirement after Cream and has functioned as a studio musician and a special event only musician. He has not been a real "Band" member after Cream. If you knew how hard and long that Cream toured, just that would have been a life time for many. If anything you got to respect the fact that he's still going strong (like the old blues man of old). No, I only speak Bass and guitards? No way!
 
Eric Clapton is the same old blues riff black guys were playing years before him. I feel that many were robbed of the sound and he made it due to being white.


Wow. A very broad statement that glossed over a lot of musical and socio-political history.

Eric Clapton is absolutely a student of the blues. As were many of his peers, like Keith Richards. It was that young generation of British musicians that came to appreciate the work of black American bluesmen like Muddy Waters, Little Walter, Howlin' Wolf, Robert Johnson and others WAY before those artists got wide recognition in the United States. And that was due in large part to the blues being regarded as "race music" in America, and that segregation of music led to white Americans not knowing or appreciating that work. Americans essentially had to wait for their own music to be filtered through these young British musicians like Eric Clapton, the Rolling Stones, The Beatles, et al before coming to appreciate their own countrymen and their music. Your statement is correct to a degree, but the fault is not with Clapton. The original blues artists did not gain traction with American audiences because of the racial divisions in America.

I read the Clapton autobiography. And even after having read the book, I feel that he is still something of an enigma. He seems hard to pin down as a person for a number of reasons. There are his substance abuse problems, of course. He also had a somewhat non-traditional upbringing, as the son of an English girl who got pregnant during WWII to a Canadian RAF pilot. And that no doubt affected his sense of identity. But he seemed to find something pure in the form of the blues.

I'll freely admit, I don't really care for his work with the Yardbirds. I find it unremarkable. But his work with John Mayall is where he blossomed as a player. In Cream he was holding his own with two other virtuosos and started to come into his own as a singer and songwriter. The breakup of Cream actually coincides with the time when Clapton was exposed to the work of The Band. It's even been said that he would have loved to join The Band given the opportunity. And it was that work that led to the tone and songs of the Blind Faith record as well as Clapton's subsequent solo records.

Looking at his discography, there are definitely some strong periods in Clapton's career: Blind Faith, Derek & The Dominos, 461 Ocean Boulevard, and his solo debut. But drinking and drugs definitely adled him and his talent for a long time. To his credit, Clapton was finally able to get clean in the 1980's. And thankfully he didn't end up dead like some of the his peers, like Hendrix. I think Clapton has done some great work since cleaning up. But I'm also left wondering what might have been with him if he had been able to manage his substance problems better in the 70's, which should have been the prime of his career.

If you don't get him? Fine. Music is art. It's a subjective experience. Take it as that.
 
Actually, if you read his biography (which I did last year) the one thing you get from it is that he is NOT humble. Oh, he will TELL you that he's humble... but I finished that book think that EC was a real self-centered wanker. But I still like some of his music.
Same here, and even some of his poppier stuff, like 'She's Waiting'. Am looking forward even more to reading his bio now, after reading your post, Harry :)
 
I know that Clapton is widely considered one of the greatest guitarists ever, and I will probably get lots of flak for this, but I don't think he's all that.

IMHO, other guitarists of his generation are better, Hendrix, Jeff Beck, Page, Phil Keaggy, etc.

As far as his musical output and songwriting, I don't think he's done anything of quality since Cream.

So, let me have it! Tear me up! Or, let me know if you agree with me.

It's hard to argue with success. Anyone who has gotten himself anywhere near where Clapton has sets himself up as a target for "I could do that" potshots. OK, fine. You do it.

It's silly IMO to say that Hendrix (or anyone else, for that matter) is/was better or worse than Clapton. Better in what way? By what standard? More notes per second? Louis Armstrong is accepted by many as the greatest jazz trumpeter of all time, but listen to him. There are many horn players who play a LOT more notes. Does that make them "better", necessarily? Most folks will say no.

Personally, I like a lot of what I have heard from Clapton over the years (decades), but not everything. Like his work or not, the man has had a stellar career. More power to him.
 
Do you remember on the Tonight Show when Johnny Carson asked Hendrix how's it feel to be the greatest guitar player in the world? or was it the hendrix documentary.
I remember Tom Snyder interviewing Hendrix. Snyder asked him how he got so good. "Do you get up every morning and practice, practice, practice?" Hendrix just sort of smiled and said, "Well, I try to get up every morning." :D