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I don't "get" Eric Clapton

Thing is, artists grow and sometimes move in other directions. Some folks like to 'shred' their entire lives and some don't. He wanted to write simple songs and play with top musicians. He's not the only one. Phil Collins, Lionel Richie, etc. I get the sentiment but these threads bring out the worst of Talkbass. In fact someone threw in "I don't like slap"! Why? This thread had nothing to do with slap. But why should we negatively speak about any musician? Or Genre? Or playing style? It's just old and redundant!

As far as Clapton, I prefer modern Clapton over classic Clapton.


I think the slap thing was just to show there's a variety in peoples tastes outside of what might be expected.

When I go into a music store all I hear is people slapping basses. I don't like it and a good 95% of succesfull songs don't use it, but to each their own.

Likewise, if Clapton started out as a "shredder", some figure he should remain as such and view simpler styles as a step backward. Again, to each their own.
 
........................and a good 95% of succesfull songs don't use slap, but to each their own.
I disagree. Slap is widely used in Contempo/Smooth Jazz, Gospel and old school funk and r&b (which is still being played by touring bands and cover bands). All succesful music that you probably don't dig. But that's another thread.
 
C'mon....!! lets not get carried away here. OK, you did not like Cream, but it was impossible to tell from their music, what their personal feelings were for each other. Baker hates everyone..always has...but Bruce and Clapton got on quite well.
Sorry I didn't make my point clearer. I know what the interpersonal dynamics of the group was, but that was not the point at all. The music is the point. It was much like jazz. Everybody is playing, but they don't sound like they are playing the same thing. Jack Bruce was all over the place and was not really in any identifiable pocket and wasn't supporting either Clapton or Baker. I prefer a more cohesive sound.
I know there are people who love Cream. That's cool. I never said they were bad. I only said I don't care for them.
We all have different tastes and it is good to discuss them, but to get your panties in a knot because someone doesn't like what you like is childish.
 
First off, Clapton's strength as a player has always been in the blues. He can rock, but he has some very tasteful and very clever blues chops that work really well with his voice.

Comparing him to Rory Gallagher or Gary Moore is like comparing apples to oranges. Yes they are all guitarists, but with very different styles. Rory's work with Taste is his only serious foray into a straight blues format and while he does a credible job, his body of work as a rocker heavily influenced by his Irish roots is a stellar example of a rock guitarist with some blues influence, but a rocker nonetheless. Same for Gary Moore, he's a rocker who did a vanity project of an album full of blues tunes and with the exception of the title track, while in the basic blues format is without a doubt more rock influenced than blues. Still Got The Blues is currently in rotation on my MP3 player so I've been listening to it a lot in the last month or so and it rocks way more than it testifies.

IMO, what makes Clapton noteworthy is being the first white Britisher to gain wide recognition for his blues style that was authentic and true enough to form that he is the only British guitarist to be invited by Mr. Morganfield and each of the 3 (American) kings to play with them on both stage and recording projects. In short, the guys who invented and perfected the electric blues genre as we know it today were impressed enough with Clapton's blues chops that they wanted to share the stage and studio with him.

Oh, and to those who don't "get" Clapton, don't feel too alone. If you read Eric's autobiography you will find Clapton is still trying to "get" Clapton. You will also find a very compelling and often heartbreaking story about a very shy young man who grew up in some of the worst economic times in his country's history, who even after all these years of fame is still humble enough to be eternally grateful for his success and to still seriously wonder how it all happened.

If you don't "get" the blues, it's little wonder you don't "get" Clapton. Not saying there is a thing wrong with not being as big a blues fan as some. Outside of hillbilly string bands and early country music, blues is my anchor in music so I'm pretty ignorant about rock and like those who don't "get" Clapton, I don't "get" a whole slew of guitarists who have achieved legendary status in the rock world. I play rock stuff because my brother has this thing about not being known as strictly a blues band so he throws in a lot of guitar rock tunes.

It's not a good or bad thing, it's just a different thing.

Great Post. So in the beginning there were African field hand work songs that were brought to the U.S. with the the captured people who mostly became slaves. They were rythmic, repetitive, and simple. The were used in the field to ease the work and coordinate the workers.

At about the same time whe had English, Irish, and Scotts gathering in the hills of the central eastern part of the country. They brought their fiddles, tabers and fifes to continue their music traditions.

Over time, things change. The field hand music evolved into blues. One thing to notice here is the difference between the traditional African scales and the westen scales helped this evolve. Those used to the African scales would sing the 7th flat. That's why the 7th is som prominent in blues. The hill billies, as they became known, had evolved their music into the early beginnings of bluegrass and later into the very early country music.

So now these musics start to see one another and start borrowing from each other. They earliest "rock and roll" was sometimes on the country side and sometimes more on the blues side. Look at some early artists like Chuck Berry who was intrumental in this because he wrote lyrics aimed at the white kids. Remember the scene from Back to the Future at the school dance. And on the other side maybe Jerry Lee Lewis who was very country, but was, like most of us kids at the time, listening to and borrowing from the Chuck Berry, Little Richard camp.
As this all came together, we had what became "Rock and Rolll", which in the old blues parance was a description of the sex act.

Then the Brits were listening on their shortware radios to American music and likeing it, so they started playing it. But, because of their difference in musical background, didn't quite get it right. Don't start, it is not a qualitive comment, just a statement of fact. Thus came the "British Revolution." The American liked what the British (I told you not to start), and begin playing that, but since they weren't British, they did the British music in an American style. That brings us into the 70s where things started going in many different directions.
 
I disagree. Slap is widely used in Contempo/Smooth Jazz, Gospel and old school funk and r&b (which is still being played by touring bands and cover bands). All succesful music that you probably don't dig. But that's another thread.

I do dig the funk, older R&B, some Gospel, again mostly the older stuff, etc., but you're right, OT for this thread.
 
I don't hate Clapton. By all accounts, he is a very humble, down to earth, nice guy.

I just think he is a bit overrated as a player, and musically, he hasn't done anything new or fresh since Cream. I don't know why people get so bent out of shape over these kinds of threads anyway. I could understand if I said that he sucked, or that he was a terrible guitarist, but I didn't say that, and neither did any of the people who have agreed with me.

Actually, if you read his biography (which I did last year) the one thing you get from it is that he is NOT humble. Oh, he will TELL you that he's humble... but I finished that book think that EC was a real self-centered wanker. But I still like some of his music.
 
I agree. I think it's somewhat tragic that someone like Clapton is publicly revered as a guitar god, when folks like Jeff Beck, Gary Moore, and even folks like Jimmy Page minus Zep, are given so little public credit.

I don't think he's a bad guy; he's clearly not a bad guitarist, but his guitar work does not speak to me the way theirs does. So, again, it's weird that the general public perceives him as a guitar wizard.

Different strokes. Personally, I don't consider Jimmy Page to be in the same class as those you mention, or even Clapton. TBH, I almost expect TB opinion to vary widely from actual music listeners opinions anymore.
 
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Thinking on this...

Why declare that you don't "get" something - it only invites folks to get spun up. I don't get guys like "Dimebag" *at all* but I don't bother to let everyone know.

I think they declare that they don't get something in order to start a discussion that they feel like talking about. What I don't get is why people allow themselves to get spun up over someone else's opinion.
 
Actually, if you read his biography (which I did last year) the one thing you get from it is that he is NOT humble. Oh, he will TELL you that he's humble... but I finished that book think that EC was a real self-centered wanker. But I still like some of his music.

I had to stop reading musical biographies. Because now I can't stand the Eagles or John Fogerty. I did enjoy Mick Fleetwood autobiography, but I had to shake my head of how one person can be so clueless about the practical realities of life.
 
I know that Clapton is widely considered one of the greatest guitarists ever, and I will probably get lots of flak for this, but I don't think he's all that.

IMHO, other guitarists of his generation are better, Hendrix, Jeff Beck, Page, Phil Keaggy, etc.

As far as his musical output and songwriting, I don't think he's done anything of quality since Cream.

So, let me have it! Tear me up! Or, let me know if you agree with me.
Tear you up???
Why would anyone do that?
You are as entitled to your opinion without the need to justify it as anyone else here.
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I think they declare that they don't get something in order to start a discussion that they feel like talking about. What I don't get is why people allow themselves to get spun up over someone else's opinion.

That's what this site is all about. Discussion. It would be pretty boring if we all liked one kind of music or all played sunburst P basses with flats.

I see people who say they don't like the same basses that I do, or that don't like music that I like. I don't get my drawers in a bunch just because people don't like what I like.

But out-and-out bashing of anything just makes one look ignorant or narrow minded.
 
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I had to stop reading musical biographies. Because now I can't stand the Eagles or John Fogerty. I did enjoy Mick Fleetwood autobiography, but I had to shake my head of how one person can be so clueless about the practical realities of life.

It makes a lot of sense how clueless those folks are to the realities of life, when you realize those realities rarely applied to them. They never had to do that common sense stuff everyone else did to survive. They became successful despite some very egregious habits, and generally did their best work when under the influence of their worst habits.

I mean, if folks had come up to you and told you "yeah X was the best song you ever did" and your memories of recording X involve multi-day coke benders, it's hard to really know which way is up, so to speak.