I HATE HATE HATE INCIDENTAL JAZZ.

[Snarf]

That's not punk, that's emo. Punk is actually good stuff. Think Black Flag and Dead Kennedys.

 

[Passinwind]

Forgive my misguided usage of the word 'jazz' and 'Ska' (fusion) but that's the only way I can describe the mess that this guy was playing at me.

He told me it was incidental Jazz, and if that's what it was then i really really hate it.

I told him I didn't 'get' that type of music and he said I couldn't because it was a 'black thing'

Wow, there are just so many wrong things going on there, mostly not of your doing, but thanks for clarifying. Looks like I was right, it is a scary Brit's invention.

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I'm guessing I wouldn't much like it either, actually.

 

[Against Will]

I'd scowl at you too if you called fingerstyle a "wimpy thud." I don't consider Geddy Lee to have a wimpy thud. That could be called close mindedness on your end.

Unnecessary, everyone has their personal preference for picking style, be it with thumbs, fingers or plastic thingies. Some people think picking is a sign of poor technique which I think it pretty close-minded. She didn't say she loathed finger-pickers, just that she doesn't like the sound.

And besides, didn't Geddy file his finger nails to points to get his tone? If so, it sounds like he was trying to hide something.....Pick fetish?

 

[Dan Molina]

Using fingers is just as wrong as picks. The bass was originally suppose to be played with our thumbs.

 

[Stoned Bass]

Well, you're a rock person. Not all rock people like jazz. The world keeps on turning, though. One thing: I would never call jazz playing "wimpy thuds." A good "thud" can be earth-moving.

I totally agree, you misunderstand me, I use finger tecqnique myself.
It's just for the purposes of punk and rock I find that without a clear sound I kinda get drowned out by the guy's thrashing guitars turned up to the max.

Jazz just aint my thing but each to their own, It takes all sorts to make a Bass forum worthwhile

For Punk Listen to:

.Green Day
.My Chemical Romance
.AFI
.Operation Ivy
.The Distillers
.Generation X
.The Stooges
.MC5
.Alkaline Trio
.Deftones
.Dead Kennedys
.The Offspring
.Flaming groovies
.Filter
.Stiff Little Fingers
.The Clash
.The Sex Pistols

 

[BurningSkies]

Original Ska is Jazz.

Nothing incidental about it.


The Skatalites were all big band jazz players.

 

[Passinwind]

Original Ska is Jazz.

Nothing incidental about it.

The Skatalites were all big band jazz players.

Good point, I'd say. So were the Funk Brothers, but calling Motown jazz will probably provoke disagreement in some circles too, eh?

That said, I'm not much of a ska (in its current state) fan , but I do dig the Skatalites. Lots of the jazz-schooled horn players I've jammed with play in or have played in ska bands too, FWIW.

In any case, rude musicians give any style a bad name.

Oh yeah, to the original poster: I primarily play and listen to jazz, but I love a good portion of those bands you named. Hopefully one day you'll get exposed to some of the jazz that influenced many of those bands greatly, but it's cool either way.

 

[Stoned Bass]

Hopefully one day you'll get exposed to some of the jazz that influenced many of those bands greatly, but it's cool either way.

I hope I hear some of the good stuff too.
Can you name some good jazz bands/people before I become permanently jaded by the rubbish I heard the other day, otherwise I fear I may be scarred for life.

 

[Toasted]

Im sorry it just sounds like noise from 1925 but it's a personal thing.(sorry jazzers, If you love it play it)

But I play in punk, rock and classic rock styles and I can't tell you how many stuck up Jazz bassists have scowled at me because I use a pick and like a crisp hard sound rather than a wimpy thud.

Yesterday I was just jamming at my local music club and I was making some mean sounds with my beloved pick.

Then out of nowhere some south-african guy(nothing against south africans) takes my P bass off me (Grrr) and says "you don't know how to play, listen"
Then he show's me a C (well duh I've been playing for 4 years)and starts slapping the hell out of my poor bass playing this incidental jazz/ska rubbish.
It sounded awful and all my mates were really p'd off.
what is wrong with a pick???

sorry about the rant but I had to get it off my chest..
no offense. :scowl:

Please, dont judge my country by this man.

 

[Stoned Bass]

Please, dont judge my country by this man.

I Never ever would, I take each person as they come as an individual. (but I do dislike the french intensely , but thats just an inbred English thing ).
He was a jerk that just happened to be from south Africa.
But I know plenty of great south Africans.

P.S we remember agincourt!!!!!
P.P.S Crazy Frog Must Die

 

[Mike Money]

I Never ever would, I take each person as they come as an individual. (but I do dislike the french intensely , but thats just an inbred English thing ).
He was a jerk that just happened to be from south Africa.
But I know plenty of great south Africans.

P.S we remember agincourt!!!!!
P.P.S Crazy Frog Must Die

He's talkin about you, Cletis.

 

[Matt Till]

Yes! This thread now makes me laugh.

 

[BurningSkies]

Good point, I'd say. So were the Funk Brothers, but calling Motown jazz will probably provoke disagreement in some circles too, eh?

That said, I'm not much of a ska (in its current state) fan , but I do dig the Skatalites. Lots of the jazz-schooled horn players I've jammed with play in or have played in ska bands too, FWIW.

In any case, rude musicians give any style a bad name.

Oh yeah, to the original poster: I primarily play and listen to jazz, but I love a good portion of those bands you named. Hopefully one day you'll get exposed to some of the jazz that influenced many of those bands greatly, but it's cool either way.

I had the opportunity to share the bill with the Skatalites several times back in the mid-90's, and it was a life changing experience. I woke up that day (the first of our shows with them) to the true nature and power of deep groove.

They were also very nice and supportive, and the last time that band played in NYC (SOB's) they showed up for our show.

Those guys deserve MUCH more recognition. They're innovators and artists on par with the best players from around the world. Sadly, few know their names.

 

[jay_t]

This turned into a sweet thread! I just wanted to throw in that everyone would benefit by learning how to play with a pick, finger style and slap. That way when some jerk tries to show you how to play you can "pick" on him by giving him the "finger" and then "slapping" him out of the room.








Jeez that was pathetic!

 

[Matt Till]

Yeah, just so you know, I do think it's hella lame this cat grabbed your bass and said, "This is how you do it."

Yeah, I'd like to see someone fit ska/reggae into a punk song... it'll never happen...






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[Snarf]

I hope I hear some of the good stuff too.
Can you name some good jazz bands/people before I become permanently jaded by the rubbish I heard the other day, otherwise I fear I may be scarred for life.

You know, even though my main thing when playing bass is jazz standards and old-school stuff, I don't actually listen to it. When I listen to jazz, it's always smooth jazz. I'd encourage you to check out some Rippingtons, Steely Dan, and Spyro Gyra. If you were going to pick up one Rippingtons album to start with, make it Kilimanjaro.

 

[Kelly Coyle]

When I listen to jazz, it's always smooth jazz. I'd encourage you to check out some Rippingtons, Steely Dan, and Spyro Gyra. If you were going to pick up one Rippingtons album to start with, make it Kilimanjaro.

When I listen to jazz, it's always out-jazz. I'd encourage you to check out some Albert Ayler, Sun Ra, William Parker, Tim Berne...

(ha)


You know, while I'm here, I wonder if the word the original poster was looking for was "instrumental"?

 

[page]

"This is how you do it."


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Oh!!!!!!!!! " And SOuth Central does it like NOOOOObody else!"

 

[Bruce Lindfield]

Yeah, what does ska have to do with jazz anyway? Some new scary Brit invention?

As people have mentioned - Ska grew out of a fusion of Jazz and "West Indian " music !

So in Jamaica , DJs started playing Jazz records from the US in the 1950s and this influenced the local musicians to develop their own version of Jazz - so a lot of original Ska has fast walking bass lines, but without swing or chromatic notes - the horn players were influenced by what they heard on US Jazz records and so Ska was born.

Add a lot of Ganja, slow it down and then you got Reggae!!

 

[daofktr]

stonedchikky:
don't let that dipstick harsh yer buzz, ey?
i know a key-boor that sounds just like him...good man to avoid.
and, as far as that 'black thing' goes, you should have told him that how you play is a 'girl thing', and that he would never 'get it', because he's merely a man!

in fact, i'm so steamed that he did that, tell you whut...if our band ever has the opportunity to play in the general area (which just might happen...bandmate's brother lives in ireland, is trying to line us up some gigs, and who knows where we might travel to!), i'll post where, you point me to that supercilious prat, and i'll make an international incident worthy of the papers!
he just might end up receiving a hemorrhoidectomy, courtesy of my GT-7!