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I hate high schoolers....

Nobody has a right to drive. That's a driver's permit question. I should have put the word "right" in quotations. Everyone over the age of 16 has the privelege, but nobody has a right.

I believe the high accident rates are due to lack of experience and responsibility. Unfortunately, the permit process lies heavily in the parent's lap and if they don't make sure their child drives, they are putting everyone else at risk. Currently, it's 50 hours of driving experience during the day and 10 hours at night over a 6 month period. I spent the last 5 years driving that much during a week, as do most commuters. To think that a person would fully grasp everything about driving with that little experience is short sighted.

As far as responsibility, any older person can look back to when they were 16 or 19 and recall that they weren't as responsible as they are now. That's not an absolute, but that's a massive majority. 45% of the time that teenage drivers are killed, they have a fellow teen in the car. Most of those times, they illegally have someone in the car. The older I get, the more cocky I realize I was when I was younger. "I have faster reaction times.", "I raced 500 horsepower muscle cars since I was 14.", "I have a higher tolerance than most people." and "I'm a better driver in the rain." are all excuses that I have said and heard. They are all untrue. Well I did race since I was 14, which gave me an appreciation for a car's capabilities, but it wasn't until I was older when I realized my "showing off" in my 67 Malibu could have killed someone or myself.

I'm not all grumpy and I don't hate high school drivers. I have just experienced way too many close calls and funerals to support a 16 year old controlling a 2500 pound vehicle. I can't ignore facts. A 21 year old would be much better behind the wheel starting out than a 15 1/2 year old. That's 5 1/2 years more of watching others drive and learning as well as maturing. My parents made sure I had about 500 hours of driving experience before I went in to take my test. By the time I took my test, they at least knew that I had the experience, but I did not have the maturity. It's not that teenage drivers are the major contributors to accidents, but they are disproportionately the cause of accidents due to their percentage. 7% of drivers are teens, 14% of fatalities are teens and 20% of accidents are caused by teens. Teens have the lowest rate for wearing seatbelts. Car crashes are the number one killer of 16 year olds. The awareness and maturity of an 18 year old is different than a 16 year old. Even at 18, nobody is fully mature. It was debated to push it back as far as 21. I don't see why so many people have a problem with it. They can use public transportation. I did. I got to my destination alive and that's all that counts.

I don't hate teen drivers, I just want to see them alive.
Thoughtful post.

I think it's quite probable that there would be a measurable difference in accidents caused by driver error between two groups of drivers - those who have 50 hours experience and get a licence at say, 17, and those who have 50 hours experience and get a licence at 21. Insurance companies seem to think so, anyway. Rates over here depend on age more than time elapsed since qualification.
 
Dude... holy crap they just waved at you! Calm down! So what if they passed you and waved at you? Seriously, what does that even do to you? Why could you have not just ignored it??

Anger issues... :help:

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+1

Why the hell did you get angry because they waved? :eyebrow: Also, you are trying to say you think all highschooler's are little ****'s because a bunch of them waved at you? Sounds like someone needs to learn to control his anger! From a teenager's perspective, nothing is as lame and immature as seeing an adult get so fired up about such a small issue.
 
+1

Why the hell did you get angry because they waved? :eyebrow: Also, you are trying to say you think all highschooler's are little ****'s because a bunch of them waved at you? Sounds like someone needs to learn to control his anger! From a teenager's perspective, nothing is as lame and immature as seeing an adult get so fired up about such a small issue.

I find it amusing when drivers get pissed at me when i try to let them know that there is something wrong... Lights off at night, left something on top of the car... It's pretty funny...

However, it sounds to me like they were just out to annoy people...
 
They think they're bad to the bone always gotta cause trouble. I could've killed a couple of 'em yeterday. I was on my way home from work when I car with 4 hs kids passed me and waived their hands like idiots. I gave them the silent F and they slowed down. They looked at me and I stared bad. I rolled down my window and asked them what the F their problem was. They didn't say anything back but if they had I swear I would've made them eat each other's a$$es.

here! im offended by this!! just because theres 4 ******** doesn't mean were all douche bags!!

im just stupid...not an ass.
 
2 extra years gives the kiddos some time to finalize all those connections in the brain, and cut down that reaction time. It also gives our younger friends to get to know our good friend alcohol, and hopefully, by the time they are 18, they have some idea of thier limits. So, it sorta is an age thing. I know one of the first things I did when i got my permit, at age 15 by the way, was have an older friend buy me BOOZE. I was really an irresponsible little prick, but I did change pretty dramatically. I was in college at 17, and here I am now at 22 still hootin' and hollerin' and making faces at people driving. It's just so damn fun. Go figure



P.S.
*makes a wierd face*
 
Just had to bump this thread back up because a similar incident happened to me yesterday.

I was driving to a friend's house and these two kids, maybe 13-14 years old, come peeling out from a side street on mountain bikes. I hit the brakes and avoided hitting them. One of the kids smirked at me and made a kissy face, then he and his other friend pointed and laughed. I wonder if the whole thing was intentional and they were trying to scare drivers by darting out in front of them.
 
sounds like they were just having a good time and you were the one that made it confrontational.

you're at fault, not them.

Big +1

to OP:

Just some fun, no one was hurt? no? then it's all good.

I also resent that highschool statement, didn't you live out during highschool? it's that time of your life where you're living on the edge! I'm finishing highschool next febuary, and hope the good times to end.
 
Not long ago I was driving along, slowly, through a freeway traffic jam. I was listening to some Frank Zappa and working on my tan when a car loaded up with about 4 or 5 high school girls pulled up alongside me and started "waving their hands around like idiots" trying to get my attention - much like in the original post. Then they started hootin and hollering and blowing kisses... it didn't make me want to kill them at all. It actually gave me a momentary ego boost. Maybe if the HS kids would have blown kisses at OP he wouldn't be so upset?
..and before anybody asks, no I did not make that particular request nor did they volunteer… I mostly just tried to ignore them and keep driving.
 
Dude get a beat up pickup and chase down those monkeys next time. Best way to teach them a lesson is to beat the crap out of them. That's what I do. Never happened again the last time I taught them a lesson.

HS kids like it up the behind. If they ask for it give it to them.
 
Not long ago I was driving along, slowly, through a freeway traffic jam. I was listening to some Frank Zappa and working on my tan when a car loaded up with about 4 or 5 high school girls pulled up alongside me and started "waving their hands around like idiots" trying to get my attention - much like in the original post. Then they started hootin and hollering and blowing kisses... it didn't make me want to kill them at all. It actually gave me a momentary ego boost. Maybe if the HS kids would have blown kisses at OP he wouldn't be so upset?

Whenever that happens to me (and it is pretty rare) I can't help but think that they are actually making fun of me. :hmm:
 
Hell I'm in High School and I hate alot of kids at my school.
We still go driving around having a good time. Yelling and kids, Fireworks and the such. But we've never thought about destroying someone property that's just stupid.

But really the dude who started this thread really needs to chill out.
 
Heh I love how we see the easiest solutions possible. Ban this, ban that limit this raise the age.

If you want better drivers, you have to teach them better and select them better. IMO we need Long courses (both logical and practice). This will help people understand driving better and take out people who are still not mature enough to drive. Yes, it will be pricier then taking it is today but it's a one in a life time fee that will make our roads safer, we can always create a payment plans. It's not only kids who cause death on the roads, they are called women. :hiding:

I also think we nearly don't give out enough tickets for reckless driving and our punishment is nearly not good enough, it's usually speeding and stupid stuff like that. Speed doesn't kill, recklessness does, it just so happened reckless drivers are always speeding, but speeders are not always reckless.

If I was a cop I would let speeders go and would punish reckless drivers with no mercy. This includes acting like morons and detracting other drivers. I think it's ok on special occasions where distraction is expected (4th of July is one) , but not randomly on road when no one is expecting it.