youre on talkbass, not ebay. its a community. theres a reasonable expectation here that people make sure their stuff functions and sellers disclose any issues.
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youre on talkbass, not ebay. its a community. theres a reasonable expectation here that people make sure their stuff functions and sellers disclose any issues.
I probably would have asked questions. And in reference to the car, I probably would come armed with someone that knew enough to look for problems. But I think it's incorrect to keep saying buyer's remorse. If I bought a bass and the truss rod was not moving correctly I would probably ask for my money back rather than deal with the "potential" issues that could come up. In this case it was nothing but truss issues can be major. Just saying that I might have asked for a refund as well. And Paypal is doing what it's intended to do. It is not the buyer's responsibility to repair a bass that was sold with no issues disclosed.
I am coming off like I think it's your fault and that is not at all what I am trying to do. I understand your perspective but I am saying that the buyer likely has a good point to that many people are not seeing. Every complaint he made past the "exterior damage" was legitimate and at least one of them would turn me off from the sale as well.
The best way to combat this is to give a detailed description. It's best to check things like the truss rod and such before listing an instrument. Detailed pictures help alot as well. Sorry this one didn't work out for you.
Your thread where you were selling the Lull says USPS money order only, no PayPal. Why did you change your mind and accept PP?
-Mike
-Mike
"It's best to check things like the truss rod and suck before listing an instrument."
Suck. HUHH?
Suck. HUHH?
Because I'm a dumbass! I forgot how much of a pain PayPal is. I needed to sell a bass fast and taking paypal is the quickest way to sell. It's kinda like passing a kidney stone and a year later you can't remember how bad it hurt.
Alkali Ike
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I think the expression is "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice... Won't get fooled again!"
Oh great...
My ebay saga - I sold something on eBay, the buyer claimed it was not as advertised when they received it. (It absolutely was), they demanded that I issue a full refund before they send it back, PLUS an additional $20 "to cover shipping..."
I advised that I would issue a refund, ONLY when the items are returned in the condition they were sent. Nope. Buyer refuses. "Refund now and the items will be returned.." I return $20 to cover shipping back as a compromise. Nope, still no good. They then open a case against me stating that "I refuse to refund" and now eBay is holding $165 of my money via paypal while this is "investigated" by eBay.
now, bear in mind that I already paid the buyer $20, so they should be holding $145!!
I've phoned them. No good. Emailed them, no good.
I would bet my bottom dollar that in teh end, the buyer will end up keeping them original items, getting his money refunded, then squeaking out an additional $20 just for good measure.
yep, I hate paypal and ebay as well now after years of being a loyal customer.
My ebay saga - I sold something on eBay, the buyer claimed it was not as advertised when they received it. (It absolutely was), they demanded that I issue a full refund before they send it back, PLUS an additional $20 "to cover shipping..."
I advised that I would issue a refund, ONLY when the items are returned in the condition they were sent. Nope. Buyer refuses. "Refund now and the items will be returned.." I return $20 to cover shipping back as a compromise. Nope, still no good. They then open a case against me stating that "I refuse to refund" and now eBay is holding $165 of my money via paypal while this is "investigated" by eBay.
now, bear in mind that I already paid the buyer $20, so they should be holding $145!!
I've phoned them. No good. Emailed them, no good.
I would bet my bottom dollar that in teh end, the buyer will end up keeping them original items, getting his money refunded, then squeaking out an additional $20 just for good measure.
yep, I hate paypal and ebay as well now after years of being a loyal customer.
No. ebay does NOT require PayPal exclusively. You have many alternatives. I don't think you have a grasp on how ebay works. Have you tried craigslist??
But it didn't happen, did it?
Why did you give them $20? You were not obliged to do that. I have had a few disputes as a buyer, and EVERY time, ebay/PayPal required me to return the merchandise before I received my refund. Perhaps next time you should follow directions?
Follow WHAT gd directions!????
The eBay directions state to "work it out with the buyer. It can be a partial refund with items kept, or a full refund when items are returned"
They demanded full refund before items will be shipped back, I offered to forward shipping and then the remainder would be refunded when items are received. They accepted then recanted.
I just cant see here where I messed up. I've been selling on eBay for about 10 years without issue but lately it's done nothing but gotten worse and worse
Alkali Ike
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Where does this recurring myth about eBay requiring PayPal come from? I see it repeated a lot. eBay does NOT require PayPal. It is true that eBay owns PayPal, but you don't have to use PP.
However if you don't use PayPal, as a seller you're probably drastically reducing the pool of potential buyers.
However if you don't use PayPal, as a seller you're probably drastically reducing the pool of potential buyers.
Ebay lets you use other payment methods. Musical instruments are subject to the following rules:
Our Accepted Payments policy helps ensure that buyers and sellers on eBay are offered safe, convenient payment options.
For most categories, sellers need to offer one or more of the following electronic payment choices:
PayPal
ProPay
Moneybookers
Paymate
Credit card or debit card processed through the seller's Internet merchant account
Additionally, payment upon pickup and Bill Me Later are valid payment methods as well.
Payment methods not allowed on eBay:
For most categories, sellers can't ask buyers to:
Send cash through the mail
Send cash or money orders through instant, point-to-point cash transfer services (that are not banks) such as Western Union or MoneyGram
Mail checks or money orders (except for items in categories specifically permitted below)
Pay through bank-to-bank transfers (except for items in categories specifically permitted below)
Pay by "topping off" a seller's prepaid credit or debit card
Pay using online or other payment methods not specifically permitted in this policy
Our Accepted Payments policy helps ensure that buyers and sellers on eBay are offered safe, convenient payment options.
For most categories, sellers need to offer one or more of the following electronic payment choices:
PayPal
ProPay
Moneybookers
Paymate
Credit card or debit card processed through the seller's Internet merchant account
Additionally, payment upon pickup and Bill Me Later are valid payment methods as well.
Payment methods not allowed on eBay:
For most categories, sellers can't ask buyers to:
Send cash through the mail
Send cash or money orders through instant, point-to-point cash transfer services (that are not banks) such as Western Union or MoneyGram
Mail checks or money orders (except for items in categories specifically permitted below)
Pay through bank-to-bank transfers (except for items in categories specifically permitted below)
Pay by "topping off" a seller's prepaid credit or debit card
Pay using online or other payment methods not specifically permitted in this policy
When they say "work it out with the buyer", they don't mean "bend over backwards and take one where the sun doesn't shine". They mean something like this:
You: "Ok, what do you want?"
Buyer: "My money back"
You: "Ok, send back the item and I'll send you back your money".
Buyer: "No."
You: Ok, we'll take it to ebay then".
And then ebay would have told the buyer to do what you told them to do in the first place, saving you from being pissed off at ebay.
I have sold everything I have listed for prices that I was happy with (No BIN) for the past 3+ years without using PayPal on ebay. I have moved a lot of my sales to CL. I really prefer CL. People look at the idem maybe we negotiate a little, they hand me cash and we are all happy.
Well maybe not the IRS
Well maybe not the IRS
Ebay is nice because it gets more eye-balls on an item. If you don't like paypal, you can always ask the buyer to mail you cash, check or money order. If you're a merchant, you can have them use your merchant account. If not, you can always use propay, moneybookers or paymate. Or have them do a bank-to-bank transfer. They give you plenty of options.
