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I have never wanted a P or J bass

Agreed. I've never been all that interested in Fender basses. The bodies always seemed a bit too big too me, and the necks a bit too thin.

Most bass bodies look pretty big from what I've seen. I've really grown accustomed to my Warwick Corvette Standard 5. I really like the body size as well as the thinner neck (nut width) & tone.

I'd still like to check out a 5-string Fender Jazz though. I've only played two 5-string Precisions. I really really need to tame the GAS so I haven't bought a Fender Jazz 5...yet. I'm very proud of Herrick. This thread is feeding the GAS though. Must resist :(
 
My first bass was a Fender Jazz. I played it exclusively for ~20 years. Then I got in a band where tone-wise it wasn't cutting it.

I got an active Spector (SSD actually) and that has since become my main bass. Plays like a dream, active EQ has lots of power, it goes deeper and higher than the J.

But just recently I got into a cover band, working on 70's funk tunes, and the SSD just wasn't sounding like the recordings. The old Jazz sounds great on those tunes, just like the original recordings. I've since also picked up a vintage P (68 Tele neck on a 72 P body, slightly neck-heavy but not too bad) to fill out those tones too. Some projects just seems to work better with that Fender tone, like Americana music for example.

But I can understand not really wanting to play Fenders, things are just easier to execute on the SSD. It's harder to get buried on a loud stage with the SSD, even without turning up.
 
I get the feeling there is a generational issue here. Back in the day, (young man), virtually every player who you'd listen to and dig played a fender. There were the session players from the sixties: Jamerson, Kaye, Felder, Dunn and there were the guys from the seventies Will Lee, Jaco, Lee Sklar, Anthony Jackson, Tommy Shannon, Pete Cetera, Max Bennett, etc. (9/10 played Fenders, and originally more Precisions than Jazzes. IMO it was Marcus and Jaco that cause the Jazz bass to become more popular, but that's another story). Sure there were a few that didn't play fenders: Chris squire and Paul McCartney come to mind. By the end of the seventies the Alembic craze was beginning. Slap bass was in in vogue and boutique makers were emerging.

Interesting post - from a different perspective, in the UK we weren't allowed to import Fender basses until the early 60s (post war import restrictions), so there were few around. However as you will all know, the Briitsh were good at pop music - there was a big range of basses in use though - yes some played Fenders but many didn't - there were old EB2s and stuff around. Then the blues/rock era - two famous players who influenced bass greatly, Jack Bruce and Andy Fraser, played EB3s.

John McVie and Leo Lyons played Fenders though. The fact is they weren't as ubiquitous as you are saying, certainly in the UK. As you said, Paul McCartney didn't.

Back to the 50s, electric basses were the exception rather than the norm - virtually unheard of in jazz and even a lot of rock and roll still relied on upright.

I think you are right regarding the 60s and early 70s US heritage (but of course no-one knew who Jamerson and Babbitt were, least of all what basses they played).

So the heritage is somewhat different from what you say.

As an avid music fan (and bass fan) in the late 60s/early 70s, I used to watch out for modern music orchestras and jazz bands on the tv and loved it on the rare occasion there was an electric bass (usually Fender) rather than an upright, so much so it was a let down when there wasn't - and the let down was most of the time. Why? Because I could actually hear the notes more clearly.

As you've said, by the mid 70s onwards their role had been taken by active basses (or at least the Fenders were pre-amped in the studio to get the signal required) - now I loved this era - why? Because you could hear the notes even better.

I'm pleased so many people are happy with their Fender basses - I haven't had one since the late 70s - don't rule out buying another but the overall experience doesn't inspire me at the moment - just my personal perspective.

No hate for Fenders on my part, and I really quite like some of them - the only dislike I have is for the current fad of the view 'if you don't play one you're not a proper bass player' - which is, of course, nonsense.
 
Disgraceful thread.....................

But having said that has anyone ever found a Fender P or J that balances well on a strap - they always seem dreadfully neck heavy to me - perhaps a fault of the original design, but then again the basic design was conceived over 60s years ago. Many subsequent designs have improved on this.

I've never had a problem with neck dive, on a Fender or any other bass.
 
Interesting post - from a different perspective, in the UK we weren't allowed to import Fender basses until the early 60s (post war import restrictions), so there were few around. However as you will all know, the Briitsh were good at pop music - there was a big range of basses in use though - yes some played Fenders but many didn't - there were old EB2s and stuff around. Then the blues/rock era - two famous players who influenced bass greatly, Jack Bruce and Andy Fraser, played EB3s.

John McVie and Leo Lyons played Fenders though. The fact is they weren't as ubiquitous as you are saying, certainly in the UK. As you said, Paul McCartney didn't.

Back to the 50s, electric basses were the exception rather than the norm - virtually unheard of in jazz and even a lot of rock and roll still relied on upright.

I think you are right regarding the 60s and early 70s US heritage (but of course no-one knew who Jamerson and Babbitt were, least of all what basses they played).

So the heritage is somewhat different from what you say.

I didn't know about the import restrictions, but that certainly would be a major factor wrt instrument choice in the UK at the time. I wasn't really thinking of it in the context of a Europe/North America thing, but the two non-Fender players I mentioned were both British (McCartney & Squire) now that I think about it. So, I can see that Fender wouldn't have been a default bass like it was over here. But here, definitely.

Also, while Jamerson and Babbitt were not known by name, it was pretty clear that whoever was playing on those tracks was using Fenders (usually Precisions).

As an avid music fan (and bass fan) in the late 60s/early 70s, I used to watch out for modern music orchestras and jazz bands on the tv and loved it on the rare occasion there was an electric bass (usually Fender) rather than an upright, so much so it was a let down when there wasn't - and the let down was most of the time. Why? Because I could actually hear the notes more clearly.

As you've said, by the mid 70s onwards their role had been taken by active basses (or at least the Fenders were pre-amped in the studio to get the signal required) - now I loved this era - why? Because you could hear the notes even better.

I'm pleased so many people are happy with their Fender basses - I haven't had one since the late 70s - don't rule out buying another but the overall experience doesn't inspire me at the moment - just my personal perspective.

No hate for Fenders on my part, and I really quite like some of them - the only dislike I have is for the current fad of the view 'if you don't play one you're not a proper bass player' - which is, of course, nonsense.

Right now, for me, the Fender brand means: the sonic signature of the great old basses from '59 - ~'65 (and occasionally a later one). I don't have much interest in any Fenders after that; because they don't live up to the gold standard previously set (for the most part). If I want a great sounding "Fender" I would go to someone like David Segal (NYBW) and get a custom bass that delivers the vintage Fender sound. You can get "Fender" that is better than what Fender currently produces from other makers - IMO.

Also, in the era that I grew up in ('70s), not only were the recording bassists playing Fenders, but virtually all of the local club bassists played Fenders. It was what you bought when you bought a bass... It was around 1980 that I first saw someone playing an Alembic, I think.

But your point is well taken, I can appreciate that it would not have been the same situation elsewhere in the world.

Cheers,

Jim
 
I like a lot of different basses. I've mostly owned Yamahas, but recently got a 62 AVRI Precision. Since my original inspiration for learning bass was hearing popular recordings from the 1960s, flatwound strings on this bass totally nails my personal favorite bass guitar sound.

But there's lots of other cool sounds and feels out there too. I wouldn't fault anyone for enjoying some other sound as much as I like the Fender, or being disinterested in the Fender as much as I might be disinterested in something else.
 
One word to describe Fenders...OVERRATED (at least in this day and age).

compared to what? While I believe 100% in "different strokes for different folks", I'd say a $900 American Fender is no more overrated than a $9,000 fodera. And heck you can often pick up a mexi P or J used for less than 3 bills. Very few people would say you have a bad tone playing one if they didn't know it was $300 bass.
 
"A bass ought not be a Fender" is kinda a dumb statement.

But everyone's got their personal tastes.Im more of a "less is more" kinda guy. Personally, those 5 and 6 string behemoths with the "elf shoe" horn at the top by the front strap button, turn my stomach. Rediculously "bedazzzled" with all sorts of nonsense, and this and that. Yeah sure some of them sound great, looks aside. But some people love that look, so who cares..

Elf shoe horn? What do you mean?
 
I know they are good instruments. Yet somehow, while I looove playing Stratocasters and own two, I've never had a desire to own a Fender bass.

It has just always seemed to me that a bass ought not be a Fender.... or a Gibson for that matter. Can't explain that conceptualization, but there it is anyway.

I am with you on this one , I am no fan of Fender P or J basses, never found one I liked to play or tone wise. I think a lot of people just buy them because they are fanboys and have never really attempted to branch out
 
I am with you on this one , I am no fan of Fender P or J basses, never found one I liked to play or tone wise. I think a lot of people just buy them because they are fanboys and have never really attempted to branch out

Come on, man. I don't happen to own a Fender, and I'm sure there are people who buy them because of the name, but there are tons of professionals who could play any instrument they wanted who pick Fenders. They aren't wrong, and they aren't fanboys, just because you have never found one you like to play.
 
that's a pretty valid point. I sorta felt that way too until I found MY fender - one that seemed a little extra special to me. that's how fenders are. they seem generic and boring or overused and then you find the ONE. then you can make it yours without feeling tied to all the history.

Understandable, and I'm not foreclosing that as a possibility. I just know if one was staring at me from across my living room right now, it would be doing just that.

Instead of in my lap as I type and try to learn this whole "theory" thing everyone is talking about, like I am right now.
 
Bah. You didn't like pizza or ice cream till you tried it either. I avoided Fenders for years. I understood there were good ones, but CBS wasn't putting them out with any consistency in the 70s. I remember not so much dead spots, but dead zones that spanned a couple frets and across 2 strings. There were some truly awful basses under that decal. Today? My 2011 American Deluxe Jazz is the nicest playing bass I have ever owned.
 

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