I just don’t get it

[Mantis Tobaggan]

Says the good ol' american that lives in St Petersburg, a copy of the original russian St Petersburg by the way hahaha

It was named after it but not a copy of it... I know where I would rather be.

 

[fishdude101101]

I was just wondering why so many people spend so much money on a Fender Jazz made by someone else and look for that vintaged sound or feel they have a better Fender than Fender. Before you chime in yes I have tried some of the boutique basses ( no names ) and in some cases other than the ergonomics of the neck I just don’t get it. On the vintage sound, amps and cabinets today are not tuned like the old acoustics, ampegs, peavys, fenders of old. Imho no SS head will never sound and feel like a SVT or old Fender Bassman ( all tube amps)

For me going forward its fenders bad QC. My newest fender sounds good and looks cool but you can't put 130-105-85-64-45 strings on it. Truss rod maxes out doing that. To me that's a flawed instrument.

 

[GIBrat51]

Without innovation and change, we'd all still be driving model t fords.

Nah... considering my vehicle preferences in this Universe? I'd most likely be riding a side-valve Harley - or an Indian; or a Crocker... And, my Father's father would be driving his '15 Stutz Bearcat...

But it wouldn’t be the same driving them on modern roads.

It's possible that we wouldn't have today's modern roads, if Model T's (and their contemporaries) were the Norm. We might have Interstates - assuming WWII happened, and President Eisenhower decided to copy the Autobahn's that he'd seen in Germany - and for military transportation purposes. In any case... a Model T goes down a modern highway just fine. They just do it... slower... than we're used to. I've encountered more than my fair share of them on 2 lane highways in my cross county travels. But, this is a subject for the "Off Topic" forum, so...

 

[Lonnybass]

I was just wondering why so many people spend so much money on a Fender Jazz made by someone else and look for that vintaged sound or feel they have a better Fender than Fender. Before you chime in yes I have tried some of the boutique basses ( no names ) and in some cases other than the ergonomics of the neck I just don’t get it. On the vintage sound, amps and cabinets today are not tuned like the old acoustics, ampegs, peavys, fenders of old. Imho no SS head will never sound and feel like a SVT or old Fender Bassman ( all tube amps)

Because when you’re like me and you spend $2,000 on Fender jazz bass with a highly figured maple top, and you find out that your brand new $2,000 Fender Custom Shop has neither a highly figured maple top nor a straight neck, and also is in desperate need of a neck shim right out of the box…

 

[MrClassicMetal]

Paul Atreidis in a suit.

 

[Jefenator]

Fender had more than a fair chance with me - with a '76 I owned and various MIJ & MIAs I tried in stores over many years.
The Allparts build got me to my "search over" first; I guess that's just the way the cookie crumbles.
In Fender's defense, they weren't the only maker who failed to reach my finish line. I've also sold J-bass attempts by ESP, Nash & Yamaha.

 

[Gianni "Orlandez" Orlati]

So I've had an MIA Fender Jazz V, passive from 2010, it was sounded really good, and then got a boutique custom made passive jazz V in 70's pickups spacing.

As far as I know, Fender did not make any passive jazz V in that spacing other than the Marcus Miller signature, and they were insanely priced at that time even on the secondhand market cos... Fender discontinued them.

So had no choice to have one made by a boutique luthier, I've been able then to choose the preamp I wanted that John East was making, the J-Tone 01 that was just... perfect for that bass, and Lollar 60's pickups, because I wanted someting more "raw" and vintage for soloed bridge or neck pickups. Marin Cano did exactly what I wanted. If Fender could have make it in the CS, it would have cost me twice at least !

EDIT: also, about that stupid misconception about SS amps that will never sound the same as an SVT: Marcello Giuliani (Erik Trauffazz bassist) always asks for an AMPEG 8x10 on stage, but doesn't care for the amp if there's no SVT available as he uses a... Markbass LM amp head to travel ! and since he's a vintage P bass with flats and foam nazi, believe it or not, he gets the sound he wants !





And guess what ? if there's only an old metallic sounding Hartke cab around, he'll make it sound ok with flats and foam still, true pros get the vintage sound they want with ANY amp or cab around

Vai Marcellooo !!! Paul Jackson must be blessing you, for sure !

 

[bassGtar]

In any case... a Model T goes down a modern highway just fine. They just do it... slower... than we're used to.

I didn’t mean to imply it wouldn’t, you just would get that vintage jostling.

 

[Gianni "Orlandez" Orlati]

Strange, but I've always wondered why so many people buy Fender Jazz basses, swear they play and sound fantastic, and then in the same paragraph say "I'm thinking of changing the pickups, any suggestions?"

Good one, I guess ..

 

[Gianni "Orlandez" Orlati]

I Love Fenders! I’m Loyal To Fender and I’m Happy With The Sound & Playability Of Fenders!

I respect what other builders build! I’m just loyal To Fender!

+1 … Following your path

 

[Gianni "Orlandez" Orlati]

Personally,



carrots

No, but...

Leo Fender, I think, got it fairly right. Fender Musical Instrument Corporation, however, has historically tended not to get it right, particularly in the past decade or so. Read any of the "Fender Custom Shop" horror story threads and you will hear tales that should by now have resulted in an extremely high staff turnover rate at the Custom Shop. Basically, Fender doesn't care enough about the quality of their products because people will buy their products regardless.

Now... if you want vintage Fender, your best options are either to buy a vintage Fender (however many thousands of dollars that might go), OR... buy not-Fender. I.E. buy your 'Fender' from someone who has done the research, builds to the specifications you know and expect, and generally doesn't have brand identity to shield them from a shoddy final product.

CS not good ? Eh ? …

 

[funkinbottom]

Bacon is really good

Kinda a broad statement. Tell me more, the return policy on bacon is not very good, and I can't try before I buy. Weight? Cured or uncured, thick or thin cut, smoked or not smoked? Best brand for breakfast...Hormel, Vande Rose Farms,Tender Belly, Nueske’s? These are just things I need to know before I buy.

 

[Plain Old Barry]

I don't get why some people go to all the trouble of going to a restaurant and ordering cherry pie. It's time and money down the drain, as far as I'm concerned.

Apple is definitely better!

 

[tvbop]

'This is US Gov public service announcement'. The sound dude is programmed to render to boom and mush the tone of whatever bass you play. So play what you like, but remember, wandering iPad man cannot be beat.

 

[Nev375]

I was just wondering why so many people spend so much money on a Fender Jazz made by someone else and look for that vintaged sound or feel they have a better Fender than Fender. Before you chime in yes I have tried some of the boutique basses ( no names ) and in some cases other than the ergonomics of the neck I just don’t get it. On the vintage sound, amps and cabinets today are not tuned like the old acoustics, ampegs, peavys, fenders of old. Imho no SS head will never sound and feel like a SVT or old Fender Bassman ( all tube amps)

Ok. So are you WANTING to get it and hoping someone can explain it to you?
Are you just broadcasting your opinion and hoping some like minded people validate it?
Or are you just trying to stir up an argument between everyone else.

I'm not sure I get what your point is.

 

[tminus10]

I just don't get why people keep posting this crap. You don't get it. Who cares? Go practice and don't worry about how other people are spending their money.

 

[blastoff99]

It's impossible to know for certain someone's motivations when they start a particular type of thread, especially when they observe it but don't bother to reply. I appreciate the way the replies have gone for nine pages - overwhelmingly sensible and resistant to the food fight that may or may not have been desired.

That said, this has run its course and rather than leave it open as bait, it's time for everybody to move on. Thanks, all.