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I might be kicked off TB for this, but.....

#103
JackANSI said:
If I ever come across someone that still has a working 360, I will give it a try. I'm open to that if the recordings really don't capture it. (edit: Checked two studios I've worked in before and neither have a 360 on their equipment lists...)

(I kinda doubt any "modern recordings" exist with the combination of playing style, bass, and amp, huh?).
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No, most unfortunately, I have never heard a recording do justice to that rig.
 
#104
bucephylus said:
While we are busy batting around likes and dislikes, here are a couple of tracks, where I like the tone very much. I like the tone because it is fat but tight and yet deep at the same time.
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The "Liberty City" cut is decent. I can enjoy that. Almost hard to believe that is actually Jaco, tone wise..

You think that scratches the surface of the tone you mentioned regarding the 360?
 
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#105
You don't like him then don't listen to his stuff. I see mention of Jaco and others on TB but never thought this forum was a complete homage to any player in particular. Whether any of us like a particular person is not important, what's important is does that gifted person stretch the area a bass fills. Yes, it's often a support instrument but there aren't limits on how that role is filled. Genres influence the role and over time it changes with folks trying new things.
 
#107
chubfarm2001 said:
I'm really just not that into Jaco.

Now before the lynching begins, I do greatly respect what he has done as a bassist. I am completely aware of the impact he has has on our instrument.

I am just not a fan of his material. I have given many videos on Youtube of him an honest chance. I find it is lacking groove with a very undesirable tone.

In the interest of an open discussion, I will gladly watch an listen to anything that you may suggest. I honestly do want to find something of his that I can really latch onto, but so far, I haven't.

Does anyone else feel this way about any other trailblazing bassists?
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If it makes you feel any better Jaco to you is Zappa to me. Everyone's always cramming "Zappa was a genious", etc, etc down my throat. I've given him many chances, still to this day, if he comes on Sirius I give it a listen but I just don't care for his music. I will say he always had top notch musician who could play like no one's business but as far as his songs, they're just plain stupid, in my opinion. I fully understand where you are coming from OP. We are all entitled to our opinions.
 
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I bought his ST recording.

I suddenly understood what influenced most of the fretless work I had heard from that point forward.

I'm not a rabid fan, I can't play like him, but I respect his innovative and passionate contribution to the music world. And any time I hear him with Joni or Weather Report, I listen closely.

Oh yeah, I bought my first fretless after listening to that ST recording. ;)
 
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chubfarm2001 said:
I'm really just not that into Jaco.

Now before the lynching begins, I do greatly respect what he has done as a bassist. I am completely aware of the impact he has has on our instrument.

I am just not a fan of his material. I have given many videos on Youtube of him an honest chance. I find it is lacking groove with a very undesirable tone.

In the interest of an open discussion, I will gladly watch an listen to anything that you may suggest. I honestly do want to find something of his that I can really latch onto, but so far, I haven't.
Does anyone else feel this way about any other trailblazing bassists?
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That's perfectly alright.
I'm not into Deftones, Tool, Led Zepplin, RHCP, Primus, STP, Korn, Sepultura, Limp Bizkit, Dave Mathews, Muse, Jamiraqui, Incubus, or Clutch.;)
 
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#112
bucephylus said:
Sheesh.

I'm all good with the OP or whoever liking or not liking anyone they so choose. Viva diversity!

BUT, stating that Jaco had no groove simply means to me that your definition of groove does not match up with the traditional R&B definition of groove. Maybe you like to clap on the 1 and 3? Jaco's time and sense of backbeat is simply not open to question, unless you have stone ears. And, as I said, if you define groove in a non-R&B sense, then OK; but, that concept is not what most have historically referred to as groove. Of course, words and concepts change...
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Seconded. Saying that Jaco had no groove just doesn't make sense. If somebody can show me a good example of Jaco not playing right in pocket I would love to see it.
 
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Well, I'll say that I didn't get lynched as bad as expected. But I do think some need to re-read my original post, especially concerning my statement of him not having groove.

I never said that he had no groove. I said I just didn't hear it in his work. I then asked for examples to prove me wrong, which some did and I appreciate that. Like I said before, I respect what he has done and I want to better understand someone who had such an impact to bass.
 
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You will see from my quotes I'm an "old fart" and I remember "before Jaco."
What everyone failed to recognize in this discussion is that BEFORE Jaco, there was very little of this kind of mad improvisation going on. Before Jaco it was pretty easy to play 1-4-5 bass and get through it. Jaco was in a sense like Picasso. He blew down the walls and knocked out of the box in music. He demonstrated you could solo without being in time, and you could wander as far as you wanted to as long as you came back to the beat and key. Sure there were many excellent bassists, but very few who pushed the boundaries like Jaco did.
You are young and relatively inexperienced and in your generation every bassist who wishes can develop technical prowess. But that technique had to grow from somewhere. And although there were many more, Jaco was one of the pioneers who expanded the boundaries.
I'm left handed and artistically bent. So his off-the-wall stuff appeals to me.

As far as John Taylor is concerned, the OP used the term sarcastically but others didn't catch it. The point is--to some people image and popularity are peoples' gauges for 'greatness.' So let's please drop the JT thing. :)
 
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This thread reminds me of the guitar forums where once in awhile someone will post that they hate Hendrix, or Hendrix is over-rated & then all hell breaks loose.

If you don't get an artist, or don't like an artist, just leave it at that.

I'd rather argue about who is over-rated or not with close friends over a beer. We might get riled up, but everything will be fine in the morning.

When I was growing up on hair metal, I didn't appreciate Led Zeppelin. I do now, and I've even met Jimmy Page, but I don't worship him like some guitarists.
Jimmy is a cool guy, but everyone knows that.
He likes to vacation in Thailand, because most of the locals have no idea who he is. It's like being incognito.
 
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