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I might be kicked off TB for this, but.....

PARDON THE NEWS BREAK -- BUT THIS MIGHT JUST SAVE A LIFE.

NOBODY EAT THESE!

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This thread reminds me of the guitar forums where once in awhile someone will post that they hate Hendrix, or Hendrix is over-rated & then all hell breaks loose.

If you don't get an artist, or don't like an artist, just leave it at that.

I'd rather argue about who is over-rated or not with close friends over a beer. We might get riled up, but everything will be fine in the morning.

When I was growing up on hair metal, I didn't appreciate Led Zeppelin. I do now, and I've even met Jimmy Page, but I don't worship him like some guitarists.
Jimmy is a cool guy, but everyone knows that.
He likes to vacation in Thailand, because most of the locals have no idea who he is. It's like being incognito.


Jimmy Page and Jaco jammed once. True story (or so the interweb says!):

 
Part of appreciating Jaco is understanding the things he did that nobody had done before. It's not all about chops, tone, and solos, though he was wicked in all those areas. It was also about his harmonic ideas, his use of the fretless bass in particular, and his expression of his own personality in his playing in a way that brought it and him into the forefront, versus a faceless role bass players generally had before him. He was also a gifted composer.

Of course it's fine to not like the sound of Jaco's music, that part is totally subjective.
 
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I have already seen the proof with mine own eyes. :)

I was 15 in 1985. More girls at my high school wanted to bang John Taylor than wanted the captain of the football team.
Of course, the fact that those girls wanted to bang him had, at least for most if not all of them, little if anything to do with his bass playing virtuosity or chops, or that he actually played bass at all. Not that there's anything wrong with that at all! LOL!
 
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I came to Jaco kind of backwards, meaning that I saw him live without really knowing anything about him. He was playing with the Brecker brothers in a MUCH different context than Weather Report. Straight up jazz, but much more in a song oriented context than I would ever think about Weather Report. It was simply awesome and to say that I don't like modern jazz is a pretty big understatement. Yes, he played some lead bass, solos, etc...but this night was about the songs. I am not a huge fan of Weather Report, there is some stuff I like, Birdland always brings a smile to my face, but a lot of times I feel like it is just a bunch of independent noises laid over the top of each other. But, to say that Jaco couldn't groove means one of two things are true, you either haven't heard any Jaco outside of Weather Report or you don't really understand what groove means...many people don't.
 
I have already seen the proof with mine own eyes. :)

I was 15 in 1985. More girls at my high school wanted to bang John Taylor than wanted the captain of the football team.
Ah yes the opinion of a 15 year old is certainly the measure of all things...
Why not become a pimp instead of a bass player if that is your metric of success? :)
The Duran guy is a competent bassist and certainly "mainstream" but you may as well say
Madonna is more important to music cause she outsold Beethoven .
I have a movie for you - Mike Judge's "Idiocracy" :roflmao:
 
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Ah yes the opinion of a 15 year old is certainly the measure of all things...
Why not become a pimp instead of a bass player if that is your metric of success? :)
The Duran guy is a competent bassist and certainly "mainstream" but you may as well say
Madonna is more important to music cause she outsold Beethoven .
I have a movie for you - Mike Judge's "Idiocracy" :roflmao:

Before calling anyone an idiot, you might want to google "What is irony"
 
There are a few tracks that he does strike what I call a real groove. A majority of the time I keep listening for a bassist to come in under him and keep it groovy while he goes off on a very not groovy tangent. If your tangents don't have a groove, you're not a very groovy player, or you dropped it. Thus, don't have a groove overall.

Nobody who is a name player in R&B, soul, or funk doesn't have groove. The sheer notion of such is absurd.
 
I agree with you and I echo what you said in regard to The Beatles. I understand it but I just don't get it.
It's the same as Alaskaleftybass said, you have to know BEFORE the Beatles to really get it. Moreover, their evolution was a curve that was virtually vertical for like 8 years. No one ever heard harmonies like they did them, and the recording technology was ancient when they started. They did a lot of innovation there, as well as being the first in so many other ways. The music that came in their wake was borne of those trying to copy them, those trying to get ahead of them, and those trying to do something different to avoid being like them. But they were the vanguard of a revolution that just exploded over less than a decade. Amazing times.
 
While Jaco was a huge pioneer, (I love Weather Report- heavy weather), I prefer Stanley Clarke from the 70's era. Guys like Gary Willis, Alain Caron, Jeff Berlin and a mulitude of other bass players have taken the bass guitar to technical heights far beyond where Jaco went. I appreciate Jacos contribution to the bass world, but there are many other bass players around today that are much more interesting to me.
 
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