I Must Be Getting Old

[Bloodhammer]

Singing that way, she won't have a voice for very long...

Lord Worm is nearly 50 and he's even more extreme.

Rage Nucléaire - "The Gift of The Furnace"

That's right "old people" . A lot of extreme music out there is being created by folks around your age. Slayer certainly aren't "kids".

I also found this on a PBS site. Time frame 1956:

...[Elvis] Presley sings his latest single, "Hound Dog," with all the pelvis-shaking intensity his fans scream for. Television critics across the country slam the performance for its "appalling lack of musicality," for its "vulgarity" and "animalism." The Catholic Church takes up the criticism in its weekly organ in a piece headlined "Beware Elvis Presley." Concerns about juvenile delinquency and the changing moral values of the young find a new target in the popular singer....

Corbis Bettmann

 

[bassboysam]

Also, joke's on this band. Singing that way, she won't have a voice for very long, and that bassist's wrist is going to self destruct strumming that way.

According to their bio they have been together since at least 2007 and have released 4 albums as well as played on several continents...which is a lot more than what most of any of the TB bands that I have come across. Pretty sure they will be ok. Plus 16,000 followers on Facebook, clearly they have an audience that connects with what they do...what else can you ask of any artist?

 

[chrispunx]

According to their bio they have been together since at least 2007 and have released 4 albums as well as played on several continents...which is a lot more than what most of any of the TB bands that I have come across. Pretty sure they will be ok. Plus 16,000 followers on Facebook, clearly they have an audience that connects with what they do...what else can you ask of any artist?

to play music thats backed by theory apparently.

 

[Korladis]

+1

Again, the OP isn't old, he just doesn't like it. And what these kids are doing isn't new at all, its late 80's grindcore.
I hate the stuff my kids listen to because its weak @$$ synth pop performed by what I'm pretty sure a hermaphroditic "guys" that look like Ellen DeGeneres. I don't dislike it because its too "loud", I dislike it because it demonstrates how nutless music has become.
Finally, to put a bow on it, every younger generation makes art that the previous one hates; that's just how it works. Remember when the Beatles were the scourge of music in the 60's? Now they are the stuff you put on to relax. Opinions about music are a moving target.

Hell, Stravinsky wrote stuff that was panned by critics when it first came out, that's now regarded as classic.

I've just come to the realization, now that I'm no longer a teenager, that not everything in this world is made with my enjoyment in mind. Not all food is cooked specifically to be tailored to my tastes, not all music is written with what I like in mind, not all basses are made for me, etc.

I'm not that fond of the music linked in the OP, either. Doesn't mean it's bad. Just that it's not really my thing. That's okay, neither is Handel. Me not liking a piece of music doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with it; music is very personal and subjective. If I don't like something, most likely it just isn't a match for my particular tastes, personality, whatever. Might work perfectly for someone else.

 

[socialleper]

Everyone's taste in music is different. Can we settle on that?


Also, joke's on this band. Singing that way, she won't have a voice for very long, and that bassist's wrist is going to self destruct strumming that way.

Wrong on both counts.
Mark "Barney" Greenway, Karl Willetts, Jeff Walker, Frank Mullen, Glen Benton and John Tardy have been doing vocals like that for 20+ years.
Shane Embury plays bass in a similar fashion (as well as guitar for Venomous Concept) and has been doing that for over 20+ years.

Please bare in mind that there are huge underground segments of music, stemming from many genres, that most people never hear about. What pop culture and the Grammys chose to acknowledge is a tiny tip of a monstrous iceberg.

 

[dozicusmaximus]

"I don't like that, I'm sure other people don't like that. Actually I am comfortable in the fact that most people won't like it because it's different. Let's not like it together!"

"Yeah! I don't like it either! Let's make false assumptions to try and discredit its merit! And further prove our own ignorance to the subject because we are afraid of it!"

"But we're not afraid of it! We don't like it. We hate it! Didn't your parents and friends show you how it's ok to hate things you don't understand?"

"I mean... Yeah, I hate it too!"

 

[john_martin_sai]

to play music thats backed by theory apparently.

 

[Anthbass]

I see the development of 'Rock' music as an evolving art, not something relegated to rituals.....this is an example of devolving. Nothing noteworthy is being displayed there except aggression.

Evolution does not imply progression - it merely means change.

There are a number of noteworthy things happening here, and a particular type of aggression is one of them. The act of performance serves to promote and reinforce the in-group value system of those who wish to be members of a social community. This performance is as much about cultural transfer as it is about music, but make no mistake, music is part of that transfer, and shapes the way it is structured.

There's nothing 'primitive' at work here, no more than what undergirds the everyday rituals you and I participate in throughout the course of our daily lives.

Lastly, all music is ritualized, which doesn't mean that it cannot still be artful. The two are more mutually coherent than otherwise, and they also inform each other: they have dialogue. I can understand if the particular band being examined here doesn't appeal to some people, but that doesn't mean there isn't a complex set of interactions taking place between those who perform it and those who choose to participate in it.

 

[grey area]

just read the early reviews of the ROLLING STONES.filthy dirty,unlistenable,jungle sounds,not music,ungodly,etc.i aint a fan of a lot of new music but i consider it my failing(mostly)as they say"whatever spins your particles"

 

[Shanannigan]

to play music thats backed by theory apparently.

The purpose of music theory is to explain how music functions after the act, not how it can function before. What is considered appropriate practice in music is always changing.

 

[na4ito]

I've just turned 26, and I'd much more prefer some Motown stuff to move my butt to.
But it takes all kinds to make the world)

 

[ntenny]

I like noise, but I don't immediately hear this band producing any noise that hasn't been done better before. IMHO, Pig Destroyer is a superset of what they're doing, with more structural interest to boot.

That said, obviously they have an audience, so...*shrug*. I've certainly listened by choice to plenty of stuff that a lot of other people consider unlistenable garbage, so I'm not gonna throw stones.

-NT

 

[thedudebrah]

Yo to the original post, I love Punch. I can't really get behind their agenda, but their singer is pretty hot and the music is aggressive and I'm into that. I saw them in Philly with my brother and we danced hard and pissed off hipsters. It may not be for everyone, but I'm down with it.

Edit: favorite song

http://youtu.be/fg-E6eyiTQA

 

[Bromosapian]

What is punch's "agenda"? That they're feminists? Please explain.

 

[Flabass]

They worked on their poses more than their music. LOL. Did I say music? My bad. Notice most of the crowd was way behind the pit.

 

[rtslinger]

Not saying I like it however this band along with others created a niche someone was looking for and likes. Maybe we look at it like folk music lovers looked at Jimi Hendrix back in the 60's it may have had the same affect this does on us and yeah they are have toured the world. Like them or hate them you got to give them props they got signed and are living the dream.


Punch is a thrashcore band based in San Francisco, California, recognizable by fast, heavy sound with pulverizing breakdowns, intelligent song structures and absolutely plastering vocals. Their debut EP, Eyeless (2008), self titled LP (2009) and second LP, Push Pull (2010) are joint releases on record labels 625 Thrashcore and Discos Huelga. Their latest EP Nothing Lasts (2011) was released by 625, Discos Huelga and Deathwish Inc. They have toured the US, Japan, Australia, and Europe.

 

[Bromosapian]

I don't see how a bunch of adolescent youth making noise compares with time-honored tribal music passed on from generations, based upon deeply rooted sacred traditions and a shared belief system.

Do you really believe those kids are participating in a bonding experience such as that, or anything substantial at all?!!!!

Anyway, musical instrument and amplifier manufacturers are sure happy that more and more people think that is music. They're cleaning up.

The people in punch are 25-33 ish. They are part of a definable lineage/tradition of music that you can trace pretty clearly to stuff like iggy pop and the ramones. Music isn't defined by what you think is good. It is defined by sound with intent, even if that intent is stochastic. Non mainstream music has more ties to tribal music than any kind of mass consumed/pop accessible music. Look at the development of regionalized underground scenes through the 80s. That is tribalism. People with shared sociocultural backgrounds that developped a unique vocabulary, rather than kids that heard a sound on ed sullivan/Top of the pops/MTV trying to copy it. I think most modern blues made by white bourgeoisie is total crap through and through, but I still view it as music. Its pointless to argue whether something is music or not. Simply being acknowledged as music is not some sort of grand judge of quality.

 

[Joe Nerve]

That was the greatest thing I ever heard. Can't get the tune out of my head, gonna be singing it all day now. Thanks.

 

[pklima]

Non mainstream music has more ties to tribal music than any kind of mass consumed/pop accessible music.

OK, just for fun:

Tribal music was the mainstream music of the specific tribes a long time ago. Before it turned into something that we do for the tourists (and yeah I've played gigs like that) it was mass produced by members of the tribe's masses, mass consumed, and based largely on imitation of something you heard earlier musicians play at weddings, village dances and other totally mainstream social occasions that were full of normal people who wanted to hear something nice and fun after a long day of digging in the turnip fields.

 

[bassboysam]

OK, just for fun:

Tribal music was the mainstream music of the specific tribes a long time ago. Before it turned into something that we do for the tourists (and yeah I've played gigs like that) it was mass produced by members of the tribe's masses, mass consumed, and based largely on imitation of something you heard earlier musicians play at weddings, village dances and other totally mainstream social occasions that were full of normal people who wanted to hear something nice and fun after a long day of digging in the turnip fields.

and i bet there were "kids" that totally "butchered" the songs in a rebelious nature back then as well.