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I need to vent !!

ragetoca

Joe
Sep 16, 2013
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Georgia
I just need to vent a bit and go on a rant—no names necessary, as it’s not important to single anyone out.

Last September, I traded a Sadowsky jazz bass with another user here on TB (a good guy, by the way). The deal went smoothly, and in exchange, I received a 5-string jazz bass that he had custom-ordered from a small luthier shop on the West Coast.

The bass was in great condition—mint, passive, and exactly as described. I had plans to convert it to an active preamp, a few days in I was playing it at home and I noticed the neck had a slight bow, I decided to adjust the truss rod. I grabbed the key, gave it a quarter turn, and… snap. I heard a small cracking noise. Sure enough, the truss rod had broken. A small piece came off, and I noticed tiny dots or "bubbles" in the steel rod. Was it a weak point, a defect, or just cheap material? I’m not sure.

Now, I’ve been playing bass for 30 years, owned over 20 basses, and I’ve never experienced a broken truss rod. I know it can happen, but it’s never happened to me—not even on some of the super cheap basses I’ve owned (Ibanez, Yamaha, etc.) or the high-end ones (Alembic, Sadowsky, you name it). I’ve adjusted necks in terrible shape before, but this was a first.

I reached out to the previous owner (not his fault—the bass was fine when he shipped it), and he suggested I contact the luthier who built it. I did just that. I called the luthier, explained what happened, and he apologized for the broken truss rod. He agreed to build me a brand-new neck for a couple hundred dollars and said he’d start working on it as soon as I shipped the damaged one back to him (he needed it to match the bass pocket size and align the holes). I shipped the neck in October, and the waiting game began.

After a month (despite him saying he’d start right away), he told me he wouldn’t build a new neck but would instead repair the existing one by installing a new truss rod and fingerboard. He promised to send pictures of the premium fingerboard material he planned to use, but those pictures never came. Another month passed, so I reached out again. He said he was “ready to start working on it” but had some questions for me. We talked on the phone, and he assured me he’d finish it ASAP.

By December, I texted him again, and he said, “I’m working on the neck and will finish it next week so I can get ready for NAMM.” More weeks went by—still nothing. No pictures, no updates, nada. In January, I texted him once more (I’ve been incredibly patient), and he said he was too busy preparing basses for NAMM but promised to finish my neck right after the show. So, I kept waiting.

On January 30, he texted me saying he was back from NAMM and that my neck would be finished the following week. Finally, some progress! Or so I thought. Two more weeks passed—still nothing. No pictures, no tracking info, no updates. Yesterday (February 12), I reached out again, and the excuses started pouring in: “I’m too busy, I’ve been sick, my shop burned down, the dog ate my homework, aliens invaded us…” You name it.

So, what’s the end of the story? See the attached image. This is what he’s sending me back: an unfinished neck. Now I’m stuck with it and will have to find a local luthier to finish the job, which will likely cost me at least $600 to do it right.

Shoutout to the TB user I traded with—he even offered to take the bass back and return my Sadowsky. I said no—it’s not his fault. He also offered to help cover some of the costs, but again, I said no—it’s not his responsibility.

The moral of the story? Your word reflects your character. Don’t make promises you can’t keep or underdeliver on your commitments. As for me, I’ve learned my lesson: I’ll never buy from a one-person shop again. I’ll stick to reputable brands and builders who stand by their work and deliver on their promises.

To the Luthier who built this bass, you are a nice guy, but a terrible business person, your word is as weak as the truss rods you put in your basses....

Thanks for lending me your ears..... laters
 
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I just need to vent a bit and go on a rant—no names necessary, as it’s not important to single anyone out.

Last September, I traded a Sadowsky jazz bass with another user here on TB (a good guy, by the way). The deal went smoothly, and in exchange, I received a 5-string jazz bass that he had custom-ordered from a small luthier shop on the West Coast.

The bass was in great condition—mint, passive, and exactly as described. I had plans to convert it to an active preamp, a few days in I was playing it at home and I noticed the neck had a slight bow, I decided to adjust the truss rod. I grabbed the key, gave it a quarter turn, and… snap. I heard a small cracking noise. Sure enough, the truss rod had broken. A small piece came off, and I noticed tiny dots or "bubbles" in the steel rod. Was it a weak point, a defect, or just cheap material? I’m not sure.

Now, I’ve been playing bass for 30 years, owned over 20 basses, and I’ve never experienced a broken truss rod. I know it can happen, but it’s never happened to me—not even on some of the super cheap basses I’ve owned (Ibanez, Yamaha, etc.) or the high-end ones (Alembic, Sadowsky, you name it). I’ve adjusted necks in terrible shape before, but this was a first.

I reached out to the previous owner (not his fault—the bass was fine when he shipped it), and he suggested I contact the luthier who built it. I did just that. I called the luthier, explained what happened, and he apologized for the broken truss rod. He agreed to build me a brand-new neck for a couple hundred dollars and said he’d start working on it as soon as I shipped the damaged one back to him (he needed it to match the bass pocket size and align the holes). I shipped the neck in October, and the waiting game began.

After a month (despite him saying he’d start right away), he told me he wouldn’t build a new neck but would instead repair the existing one by installing a new truss rod and fingerboard. He promised to send pictures of the premium fingerboard material he planned to use, but those pictures never came. Another month passed, so I reached out again. He said he was “ready to start working on it” but had some questions for me. We talked on the phone, and he assured me he’d finish it ASAP.

By December, I texted him again, and he said, “I’m working on the neck and will finish it next week so I can get ready for NAMM.” More weeks went by—still nothing. No pictures, no updates, nada. In January, I texted him once more (I’ve been incredibly patient), and he said he was too busy preparing basses for NAMM but promised to finish my neck right after the show. So, I kept waiting.

On January 30, he texted me saying he was back from NAMM and that my neck would be finished the following week. Finally, some progress! Or so I thought. Two more weeks passed—still nothing. No pictures, no tracking info, no updates. Yesterday (February 12), I reached out again, and the excuses started pouring in: “I’m too busy, I’ve been sick, my shop burned down, the dog ate my homework, aliens invaded us…” You name it.

So, what’s the end of the story? See the attached image. This is what he’s sending me back: an unfinished neck. Now I’m stuck with it and will have to find a local luthier to finish the job, which will likely cost me at least $600 to do it right.

Shoutout to the TB user I traded with—he even offered to take the bass back and return my Sadowsky. I said no—it’s not his fault. He also offered to help cover some of the costs, but again, I said no—it’s not his responsibility.

The moral of the story? Your word reflects your character. Don’t make promises you can’t keep or underdeliver on your commitments. As for me, I’ve learned my lesson: I’ll never buy from a one-person shop again. I’ll stick to reputable brands and builders who stand by their work and deliver on their promises.

To the Luthier who built this bass, you are a nice guy, but a terrible business person, your word is as weak as the truss rods you put in your basses....

Thanks for lending me your ears..... laters
Damn! Did you reicht out again after receiving those pieces of wood? Not that I believe it will result in anything but more patience testing...

Regarding names... if I had documented communication with the luthier, I would call him out.
 
Regarding names... if I had documented communication with the luthier, I would call him out.

I've had a very poor experience with a one-man shop in the UK...one that most people just rave and rave and rave about, and if someone does say anything negative about said builder, the ravers immediately jump to his defense and blame the whole situation on the person complaining. For that reason, I have never posted my documented exchanges with that UK builder showing how horribly he handled things. Might be possible the OP is dealing with a similar situation. 🤷‍♂️
 
I have all the receipts, the only thing I dont have is the phone conversations and the iphone voice memos , but I have texts and pictures of the broken truss rod.......
I hate shoddy business owners! I recently ordered a New PBass from a store in Indiana was promised it was shipping in 2 weeks 3 different times (dude is a prolific liar) finally had enough and disputed the charge with my CC company. Ordered from a different Store in Ohio and had it in 3 days! Never could figure out what the guy's deal was, He is a large volume dealer and Fender Showcase dealer! Do not get it!
 
I've had a very poor experience with a one-man shop in the UK...one that most people just rave and rave and rave about, and if someone does say anything negative about said builder, the ravers immediately jump to his defense and blame the whole situation on the person complaining. For that reason, I have never posted my documented exchanges with that UK builder showing how horribly he handled things. Might be possible the OP is dealing with a similar situation. 🤷‍♂️
This is why I only do business with major names like Fender, Musicman, Spector, Rickenbacker, and the highly reputable independent builder Mike Lull Custom Guitars.
 
If there is one thing TalkBass has taught me after all these years its never buy a custom bass from a small time builder.

If I take a chance on a cheap knock-off bass from China and never get it or its junk I can live with that. But there are countless stories on here of people spending thousands of dollars with custom builders and waiting years to get diddly squat.

Sorry you went through that. I echo others comments about telling us the shop name so we can add it to the long list of other scammers to avoid.
 
This is why I only do business with major names like Fender, Musicman, Spector, Rickenbacker, and the highly reputable independent builder Mike Lull Custom Guitars.

And from that experience, I am in total agreement!

I mean, in my case, the bass is absolutely gorgeous and with the exception of it not being the exact color I requested, it ticks all the boxes for what I wanted and asked him to build for me. It plays and sounds great, too! My issue centered around shipping. Because he boxed it up in an LCD TV box that was too large for his normal shipper to take, he told me it was my responsibility to get it to myself and washed his hands of the whole shipping side things. I appear to be the only person that has experienced that with him. 🤷‍♂️
 
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