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I think I stop believing in expensive basses!

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I've owned mostly mid range basses with the exception of one boutique that was too heavy to play a standard gig comfortably.

I am waiting on the delivery of a new Carvin, built to my specs.

It's the player that makes the difference.
Satisfy yourself. If it sounds and feels good to you, stays and plays in tune, don't worry about what somebody else like your personal hero plays. You won't sound like them, anyway.
 
To 95% of us, none of this over-heated /dead horse discussion really matters.
The soundman at the dive-bar where we are playing will take your carefully sculpted line out or direct box signal, electronically mutilate & castrate it, and in the end, make your bass (no matter WHAT the brand or cost) sound like a well executed fart.

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*shrug* My post simply pointed out that you criticized someone for an ad hominem attack and spelling errors when you've done the very same things yourself. (If you're going to take on the owner of a boutique bass builder in the thread, don't misspell the company's name all three times.) It had nothing to do with comprehension of your viewpoint.

Forgive me. I am an imperfect human who called out the mistake of another imperfect human in response to a genuine ad hominem, not a mere critical statement of opinion. Perhaps my comments have been contentious and emphatic statements of my position, but I have not entered into the territory of ad hominem, as I recall. I have not "taken on Jason". I have in fact complimented him. If his comments are in response to mine that is his choice.

Further, I will admit that if I am typing the name of another boutique brand, I tend to end that name in ski, because here in Milwaukee there are "-ski"s all over town, and seldom is there a "sky". I don't think I've ever even met one. I guess I must be evil.

The funny/sad part here is, almost no one in this thread is calling inexpensive basses worthless or junk. Yet here you are, larding on the florid, stereotypical criticism of boutique basses over and over again.

Larding on? To the contrary, out of over 600 posts in this thread I believe this is, perhaps, my 4th or 5th. I have not called boutique basses worthless or junk, and to the best of my recollection about the only stereotype I have employed is a single instance of referencing them as "coffee tables". What you call stereotypical criticism is simply the sound of many people of the same mind. Gee, do you think we should all fall in your shadow and say "Yes GregC, you and your rank are correct against all our common understanding. You have seen the light and we are but unwashed and unable to appreciate that which is so evident to you."? Um... homey don't play 'dat.

Now you have a right to voice your opinion. But you laud your own posts such as this as "critical thinking"? Oh hellll naw. That's simply twisting part of what someone said and willfully ignoring the rest in order to fit your desired, predetermined conclusion.

Twisting? No, interpreting exactly what was written, and again was later shown to, from my view, IMO, support that which I stated. It would seem to me that to you critical thinking is that which makes one feel good about questionable decisions one has already made.

As was said earlier in a post you didn't respond to:

So, there is a law I am not aware of; one which states that all posts must be responded to? Then "Lucy's got a lot of 'splainin' to do" because those posts are all over this thread on both sides of the conversation, and all over TB as well.

Bottom line? I really don't care how much anybody pays for their instrument of choice no matter what that instrument is. That's between them and their accountant. I do care to state the contrary to the popular opinion, however, that boutique has to be better. I want some kid reading this to understand that there is somebody willing to take your money at every turn, promising what may or may not be delivered. If my comments cause him or her to think more critically about their playing than their instrument, maybe 7 times out of 10 that is probably a good thing.

IMO, the music one makes is far more important than the instrument one makes it on, and that subtle differences are commonly overstated in making an attempt to justify that money difference, be it by the maker or the guy who bought one. If that speaker didn't believe it he'd be admitting to being a fool or a crook. Given the general tone of branding as used in modern marketing, somebody needs to make a contrarian statement. At this time, for better or worse, I guess that's me.

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iJazz - "I had to add a second pedal board to finally reach my tone." (It's a joke. I have to add that because humor seems lost on many around here.)
 
A great piece of wood may end up anywhere, in the hands of a master or slave (if any of you saw that NYT article about the working conditions iPhones are built under).

That's all anyone is saying.

Years ago, there was a huge bass shop online, I mean the inventory was huge, mostly used. The Bass Palace was run by a guy who called himself The Swami. I never got there in person, but there was something really different about the site, and that was the Swami's habit of every once in a while writing in the description "This is The One" or maybe he'd write "Reeks of Oneness" or "Nearly The One" or some such.

After reading hundreds, maybe thousands of his listings, I finally figured out that he was talking about magic wood. We used to laugh about it at work. There was a guy I always teased about magic wood, and we'd argue about elves who lived in the trees and stuff. But really, haven't we all played basses that were either much more or much less than our eyes and brains told us to expect? Basses where, unlike the majority of basses, the whole was much greater or less than the sum of the parts?

And I was pretty poor when I was trying to figure out tone wood and this weird site, so I read every posting for months, all basses I couldn't afford, trying to decipher the mystery. And then a MIJ Squier popped up with The Swami's pronouncement of Oneness all over it. I sweated it because even $350 was a big deal. And when I got paid, I bought it. The first thing I noticed was the heinous slop in the neck joint. It was loose as a goose, I'd say a good 1/32", maybe even 3/64" of slop there. I thought, well if this is Japanese, then they have started hiring the handicapped, or illegal aliens or something. And it had a Bart in there. I wasn't familiar with Bart P pickups. But it sounded meaty and loud as hell unplugged, so I plugged it up and yes, it was The One. The years often color our memories brighter, but this was better than my dearly departed blue claydot '63.

They inactivated my band in July 1991 and when I got to my new band, I was told to get what I wanted in a bass, so after looking at the book I said I needed a 5 with actives, and someone said to order a Ken Smith and I said sure, OK, so I ended up with one of those equal-length-horn neck-through basses he used to make that I ordered sight unseen and in the crush of deadlines. It was the only one they had in stock and we had to go to Saudi and Kuwait the Thanksgiving after Desert Storm and play for the troops who got left behind, so I didn't get my choice of woods, but it was a gorgeous plank anyway and played like you'd expect a $2500 bass to play. Now this is what most basses are like, they play like what you expect. Normally you can buy a US '62 or '57 RI through the mail as I've done and it is what it is, no more or less.

And most cheap planks are what you'd expect, too. I mean if I'm getting something made of agathis or poplar or basswood or nato, then I figure it's gonna suck to some degree or another, at least in comparison to something that can dish up any sound I want, like alder, or maybe maple over mahogany (I hate poplar; I had a bass with dead spots; I'd gone through a few necks and always the dead spots would drop the fundamental, leaving behind that harmonic an octave or two plus a fifth up, and when I finally threw out the body, I was fine).

Some things give what seems to me like amazing value, but maybe I'm remembering the abysmal foreign products of yesteryear. Maybe China and Malaysia are using CNC now or something. I'd read very favorable reviews of the Squier Affinity 5 by old guys like me, I checked and saw it was made out of alder with a maple neck and rosewood fretboard, I guessed it would make the noises I needed, and yep, sure enough it did for $200 shipped. And I watched Ed Friedland's youtube review of the G&L Tribute L-2000 and because it's made out of the same wood (well, basswood in black for the Tribute, which I'd skip, but the other colors are swamp ash, and for the US model the premium finishes are swamp ash and the rest are alder) and has the same circuitry as the US model, I would bet it is, as Ed says, just as good for around half the price.

But back to my cheap P. I like it for this example because there's no mystique to its construction. We know what matters. A production P-bass with lateral slop in the neck joint can be "just as good" as a boutique bass where the neck has to be hammered out of the pocket with the heel of the hand. It can be even better if the wood is better, 'cause a bolt-on is a bolt-on, the wood that makes the P sound is what it is, same wood same sound. The same quality of bridges is available, the same quality of pickups (this plank now wears an early 70s pickup, but it's nowhere near as good as a '62 RI pickup and if I can find that pickup I'll put it back in), it has Thomastik flats, a Gotoh bridge (I'll guess a Babicz is heavier and put one of those on to fix neck dive), it has a graphite nut (I cut several for different kinds of strings using number and letter drill bits for files to get perfect sizing), the neck changes all the time with the weather but it's part of the sound (one tour I had to take the neck off daily to readjust, that's why I had to shim the neck pocket with some knifemaker's vulcanized fiber material), and there's a Hipshot 3-string retainer on it that it seems the Thomastik A string needs. Sorry about the gory detail, but I see some bolt-ons out there going for over 2 grand, and I have access to the same hardware and strings and nut material and pickups that the boutiques have, maybe not figured woods and great paint and a 21st fret, but that doesn't affect the sound, so this is a good example because a bolt-on kills the mstique of builder magic pretty fast. Functionally speaking, for a bolt-on, it all comes down to the plank, the unique piece of wood that nature made without a thought in her mind about what name was going to get put on the headstock.

So let me say, OK, if you don't believe that accidents of nature can make a few trees noticeably better tone wood than others, then just go by price, weeding out the ripoff models. But if you have played planks that are way better and way worse than you expected, maybe you'll pluck a string on every bass you pass by, cheap or not, just to make sure The One doesn't get away from you.
 
I suggest you talk to Steve Wishineski. He will build a bass with woods you will be in awe of. He's not big on the details. He does have a devoted following and if you're a wood man, he's the guy to see.

He builds with woods that Gibson can't find and sells basses for under $500. Yes the "finish" is a single word oxymoron but the basses are very real.
 
A great piece of wood may end up anywhere, in the hands of a master or slave (if any of you saw that NYT article about the working conditions iPhones are built under).

That's all anyone is saying.

Years ago, there was a huge bass shop online, I mean the inventory was huge, mostly used. The Bass Palace was run by a guy who called himself The Swami. I never got there in person, but there was something really different about the site, and that was the Swami's habit of every once in a while writing in the description "This is The One" or maybe he'd write "Reeks of Oneness" or "Nearly The One" or some such.

After reading hundreds, maybe thousands of his listings, I finally figured out that he was talking about magic wood. We used to laugh about it at work. There was a guy I always teased about magic wood, and we'd argue about elves who lived in the trees and stuff. But really, haven't we all played basses that were either much more or much less than our eyes and brains told us to expect? Basses where, unlike the majority of basses, the whole was much greater or less than the sum of the parts?

And I was pretty poor when I was trying to figure out tone wood and this weird site, so I read every posting for months, all basses I couldn't afford, trying to decipher the mystery. And then a MIJ Squier popped up with The Swami's pronouncement of Oneness all over it. I sweated it because even $350 was a big deal. And when I got paid, I bought it. The first thing I noticed was the heinous slop in the neck joint. It was loose as a goose, I'd say a good 1/32", maybe even 3/64" of slop there. I thought, well if this is Japanese, then they have started hiring the handicapped, or illegal aliens or something. And it had a Bart in there. I wasn't familiar with Bart P pickups. But it sounded meaty and loud as hell unplugged, so I plugged it up and yes, it was The One. The years often color our memories brighter, but this was better than my dearly departed blue claydot '63.

They inactivated my band in July 1991 and when I got to my new band, I was told to get what I wanted in a bass, so after looking at the book I said I needed a 5 with actives, and someone said to order a Ken Smith and I said sure, OK, so I ended up with one of those equal-length-horn neck-through basses he used to make that I ordered sight unseen and in the crush of deadlines. It was the only one they had in stock and we had to go to Saudi and Kuwait the Thanksgiving after Desert Storm and play for the troops who got left behind, so I didn't get my choice of woods, but it was a gorgeous plank anyway and played like you'd expect a $2500 bass to play. Now this is what most basses are like, they play like what you expect. Normally you can buy a US '62 or '57 RI through the mail as I've done and it is what it is, no more or less.

And most cheap planks are what you'd expect, too. I mean if I'm getting something made of agathis or poplar or basswood or nato, then I figure it's gonna suck to some degree or another, at least in comparison to something that can dish up any sound I want, like alder, or maybe maple over mahogany (I hate poplar; I had a bass with dead spots; I'd gone through a few necks and always the dead spots would drop the fundamental, leaving behind that harmonic an octave or two plus a fifth up, and when I finally threw out the body, I was fine).

Some things give what seems to me like amazing value, but maybe I'm remembering the abysmal foreign products of yesteryear. Maybe China and Malaysia are using CNC now or something. I'd read very favorable reviews of the Squier Affinity 5 by old guys like me, I checked and saw it was made out of alder with a maple neck and rosewood fretboard, I guessed it would make the noises I needed, and yep, sure enough it did for $200 shipped. And I watched Ed Friedland's youtube review of the G&L Tribute L-2000 and because it's made out of the same wood (well, basswood in black for the Tribute, which I'd skip, but the other colors are swamp ash, and for the US model the premium finishes are swamp ash and the rest are alder) and has the same circuitry as the US model, I would bet it is, as Ed says, just as good for around half the price.

But back to my cheap P. I like it for this example because there's no mystique to its construction. We know what matters. A production P-bass with lateral slop in the neck joint can be "just as good" as a boutique bass where the neck has to be hammered out of the pocket with the heel of the hand. It can be even better if the wood is better, 'cause a bolt-on is a bolt-on, the wood that makes the P sound is what it is, same wood same sound. The same quality of bridges is available, the same quality of pickups (this plank now wears an early 70s pickup, but it's nowhere near as good as a '62 RI pickup and if I can find that pickup I'll put it back in), it has Thomastik flats, a Gotoh bridge (I'll guess a Babicz is heavier and put one of those on to fix neck dive), it has a graphite nut (I cut several for different kinds of strings using number and letter drill bits for files to get perfect sizing), the neck changes all the time with the weather but it's part of the sound (one tour I had to take the neck off daily to readjust, that's why I had to shim the neck pocket with some knifemaker's vulcanized fiber material), and there's a Hipshot 3-string retainer on it that it seems the Thomastik A string needs. Sorry about the gory detail, but I see some bolt-ons out there going for over 2 grand, and I have access to the same hardware and strings and nut material and pickups that the boutiques have, maybe not figured woods and great paint and a 21st fret, but that doesn't affect the sound, so this is a good example because a bolt-on kills the mstique of builder magic pretty fast. Functionally speaking, for a bolt-on, it all comes down to the plank, the unique piece of wood that nature made without a thought in her mind about what name was going to get put on the headstock.

So let me say, OK, if you don't believe that accidents of nature can make a few trees noticeably better tone wood than others, then just go by price, weeding out the ripoff models. But if you have played planks that are way better and way worse than you expected, maybe you'll pluck a string on every bass you pass by, cheap or not, just to make sure The One doesn't get away from you.

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I suggest you talk to Steve Wishineski. He will build a bass with woods you will be in awe of. He's not big on the details. He does have a devoted following and if you're a wood man, he's the guy to see.

He builds with woods that Gibson can't find and sells basses for under $500. Yes the "finish" is a single word oxymoron but the basses are very real.

Thanks, I have a daughter who lives in NC. I'll call him before the next time I go and if he has anything in stock to try, I'll give it a shot. But I had dealings with a guy who was kinda haphazard once, and ordered one after I tried a friend's, and it came out bad, I mean I knew it was gonna be ugly, but it was unplayable, too. So I'd have to try whatever I was gonna buy.

I like boutique basses and I like cheap ones too. I'm GASsing for both an Eastwood Classic 4 and a Sadowsky PJ5. What I really want is another instance of The One, which is different for every kind of bass. I have probably passed some magic Js by simply because for a very long time I didn't care for the J, so even if a great one slapped me in the face, I wouldn't have noticed. Or basses with actives and humbuckers. But there's no way to know when one of those is going to cross my path.
 
To 95% of us, none of this over-heated /dead horse discussion really matters.
The soundman at the dive-bar where we are playing will take your carefully sculpted line out or direct box signal, electronically mutilate & castrate it, and in the end, make your bass (no matter WHAT the brand or cost) sound like a well executed fart.

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Ever consider the possibility that The One sounds the way it does because of those particular pickups, or some other variable, let alone the possibility that if you listened to The One blindly and compared it with 49 other basses, there would probably be several Ones? Body wood makes a difference in tone, just like the shape of a car's headlights influence how fast it can go by exerting a specific level of aerodynamic drag:rollno:

I love boutique basses. I have owned Elrick, Alembic and numerous other big dollar basses. I love them for their quality, attention to detail and consistency. Many are works of playable art marrried to engineering mastery, but I have no delusions about the type of wood used in a solidbody electric instrument having a significant influence on tone. The small differences are utterly and completely dwarfed and essentially masked by the enormous contributions made by the pickups (including placement) , strings, amp and cab. I still feel an instrument made carefully and largely by hand is worth paying for, but too much great tone has come from old scrapwood Fenders for me to believe otherwise. And once again, nobody has shown me that he can blindly, repeatedly tell the difference, which is the ONLY way one can logically convince another that the contrary is true.



A great piece of wood may end up anywhere, in the hands of a master or slave (if any of you saw that NYT article about the working conditions iPhones are built under).

That's all anyone is saying.

Years ago, there was a huge bass shop online, I mean the inventory was huge, mostly used. The Bass Palace was run by a guy who called himself The Swami. I never got there in person, but there was something really different about the site, and that was the Swami's habit of every once in a while writing in the description "This is The One" or maybe he'd write "Reeks of Oneness" or "Nearly The One" or some such.

After reading hundreds, maybe thousands of his listings, I finally figured out that he was talking about magic wood. We used to laugh about it at work. There was a guy I always teased about magic wood, and we'd argue about elves who lived in the trees and stuff. But really, haven't we all played basses that were either much more or much less than our eyes and brains told us to expect? Basses where, unlike the majority of basses, the whole was much greater or less than the sum of the parts?

And I was pretty poor when I was trying to figure out tone wood and this weird site, so I read every posting for months, all basses I couldn't afford, trying to decipher the mystery. And then a MIJ Squier popped up with The Swami's pronouncement of Oneness all over it. I sweated it because even $350 was a big deal. And when I got paid, I bought it. The first thing I noticed was the heinous slop in the neck joint. It was loose as a goose, I'd say a good 1/32", maybe even 3/64" of slop there. I thought, well if this is Japanese, then they have started hiring the handicapped, or illegal aliens or something. And it had a Bart in there. I wasn't familiar with Bart P pickups. But it sounded meaty and loud as hell unplugged, so I plugged it up and yes, it was The One. The years often color our memories brighter, but this was better than my dearly departed blue claydot '63.

They inactivated my band in July 1991 and when I got to my new band, I was told to get what I wanted in a bass, so after looking at the book I said I needed a 5 with actives, and someone said to order a Ken Smith and I said sure, OK, so I ended up with one of those equal-length-horn neck-through basses he used to make that I ordered sight unseen and in the crush of deadlines. It was the only one they had in stock and we had to go to Saudi and Kuwait the Thanksgiving after Desert Storm and play for the troops who got left behind, so I didn't get my choice of woods, but it was a gorgeous plank anyway and played like you'd expect a $2500 bass to play. Now this is what most basses are like, they play like what you expect. Normally you can buy a US '62 or '57 RI through the mail as I've done and it is what it is, no more or less.

And most cheap planks are what you'd expect, too. I mean if I'm getting something made of agathis or poplar or basswood or nato, then I figure it's gonna suck to some degree or another, at least in comparison to something that can dish up any sound I want, like alder, or maybe maple over mahogany (I hate poplar; I had a bass with dead spots; I'd gone through a few necks and always the dead spots would drop the fundamental, leaving behind that harmonic an octave or two plus a fifth up, and when I finally threw out the body, I was fine).

Some things give what seems to me like amazing value, but maybe I'm remembering the abysmal foreign products of yesteryear. Maybe China and Malaysia are using CNC now or something. I'd read very favorable reviews of the Squier Affinity 5 by old guys like me, I checked and saw it was made out of alder with a maple neck and rosewood fretboard, I guessed it would make the noises I needed, and yep, sure enough it did for $200 shipped. And I watched Ed Friedland's youtube review of the G&L Tribute L-2000 and because it's made out of the same wood (well, basswood in black for the Tribute, which I'd skip, but the other colors are swamp ash, and for the US model the premium finishes are swamp ash and the rest are alder) and has the same circuitry as the US model, I would bet it is, as Ed says, just as good for around half the price.

But back to my cheap P. I like it for this example because there's no mystique to its construction. We know what matters. A production P-bass with lateral slop in the neck joint can be "just as good" as a boutique bass where the neck has to be hammered out of the pocket with the heel of the hand. It can be even better if the wood is better, 'cause a bolt-on is a bolt-on, the wood that makes the P sound is what it is, same wood same sound. The same quality of bridges is available, the same quality of pickups (this plank now wears an early 70s pickup, but it's nowhere near as good as a '62 RI pickup and if I can find that pickup I'll put it back in), it has Thomastik flats, a Gotoh bridge (I'll guess a Babicz is heavier and put one of those on to fix neck dive), it has a graphite nut (I cut several for different kinds of strings using number and letter drill bits for files to get perfect sizing), the neck changes all the time with the weather but it's part of the sound (one tour I had to take the neck off daily to readjust, that's why I had to shim the neck pocket with some knifemaker's vulcanized fiber material), and there's a Hipshot 3-string retainer on it that it seems the Thomastik A string needs. Sorry about the gory detail, but I see some bolt-ons out there going for over 2 grand, and I have access to the same hardware and strings and nut material and pickups that the boutiques have, maybe not figured woods and great paint and a 21st fret, but that doesn't affect the sound, so this is a good example because a bolt-on kills the mstique of builder magic pretty fast. Functionally speaking, for a bolt-on, it all comes down to the plank, the unique piece of wood that nature made without a thought in her mind about what name was going to get put on the headstock.

So let me say, OK, if you don't believe that accidents of nature can make a few trees noticeably better tone wood than others, then just go by price, weeding out the ripoff models. But if you have played planks that are way better and way worse than you expected, maybe you'll pluck a string on every bass you pass by, cheap or not, just to make sure The One doesn't get away from you.
 
A great piece of wood may end up anywhere, in the hands of a master or slave (if any of you saw that NYT article about the working conditions iPhones are built under).

That's all anyone is saying.

SNIP of very interesting but lengthy story.

So let me say, OK, if you don't believe that accidents of nature can make a few trees noticeably better tone wood than others, then just go by price, weeding out the ripoff models. But if you have played planks that are way better and way worse than you expected, maybe you'll pluck a string on every bass you pass by, cheap or not, just to make sure The One doesn't get away from you.


The old violin makers used to go to the cutting sites. They would listen as trees were being felled, rolled, transported... they would then go to the ones they'd thought were good-sounding, and knock on them. If a trunk had the right resonance, that was the one they'd purchase for use in their instruments.

The modern "hippie sandwich" somewhat obviates this need in many cases. You can order a Conklin or buy one already made, and it'll be pretty reliable in the basic sound department. But that does not hold true for, say, a typical Warwick Corvette. Two instruments made via identical processes, but because of the way they build it one might get a great resonant piece of bubinga while another gets a dead-sounding piece.

It's why I tend to want to play an instrument before buying it.
 
The old violin makers used to go to the cutting sites. They would listen as trees were being felled, rolled, transported... they would then go to the ones they'd thought were good-sounding, and knock on them. If a trunk had the right resonance, that was the one they'd purchase for use in their instruments.

They also believed that infectious illnesses were caused by evil spirits and used bleeding by leeches as a common therapy. Pneumonia was a common cause of death:D

As far as the notion of evaluating the resonance of wood......by on tapping the entire, hydrated, freshly fallen tree........well.....ask a modern luthier what he thinks of that, even if he is a wood disciple.


Sorry, I don't mean to be trite, but really????
 
Who really gives a Flying #$@& about how much a bass cost, 99% of the people in the audience doesn't..... They could care less if you paid $50.00 or $5,000.00.... I agree with JimmyM, let this post die please cause some of you guys are killing the dreams of some of the less fortunate people on this forum.... you DO NOT have to own a $5,000.00 bass to sound good & be Happy.....

Nope you sure don't. I sounded good with my mim fender jazz, then sounded good with my squier VM, and still sound JUST as good with my new American standard P, the basses changed but I didn't. Plus I just cant stand the look of some of those expensive basses, they look like they should be displayed in some guys Study, not on stage..lol
 
Nah, you're much too arrogant to ever allow yourself to be humbled.

Yes, a truly humble person would have simply apologized and left it at that. Posting quotes and trying to justify your actions is not humility. Just more arrogance. His favorite words seem to be "I", "Me", and "My".

...and what humble person boasts about being humble (the photos were a bit over the top)? A bit ironic don't you think?
 
That's the same opinion the double bassists had when the first Fenders came out.

true..you are absolutely correct. I have no clue how these basses sound or play, and that's why I would never say I do know, but I do not like the looks of them! The thing that seems funny to me is that out of everyone that owns one of these basses, I am sure at least 98% of them are on stage playing monie monie to small bar crowd, while 98 % (NOT ALL) of the late greats and new greats are playing fenders and MM basses! Wait...I may be wrong on the % because from other threads I have read a lot of these guys will not take their bass to a gig. I Personally like the players that could amaze you with a 100$ bass, just like the show off drummers with the 100 piece kits, but a real pro would embarrass him with a 4 piece! I say play what you like, who really cares, that drunk chick in the front of the bar could care less!
 
For me it boils down to what I want, more than what the audience notices... I'm not having to deal with a 150$ piece of junk anymore, so it's more about how easy is it to get the sound I want from my 3K
In all of my bass buying experience I don't think I've once asked myself "hmm, how will the audience like the sound of this bass?". Does the bass inspire me to play? Yes? Great.
 
I keep reading how people can't stand the look of some boutique basses. I'll tell you what i can't stand:
Bowed, misaligned or warped necks
Sharp fret edges from improperly dressed frets
Microphonic or dead pickups
Scratchy cheap pots
Hum from improperly sheilded basses
Bridges that move from vibration
Cheap tuners that won't stay in tune
Fret buzz from high frets
Improperly cut nuts
Pickup cavities that are cut way bigger that the pickup
Control plates that don't fit or warped plastic
Screws that are driven in at an angle
Necks with dead spots
Inferior finishes with bubbles or flake off

All of which I have had personally had problems with with cheaper basses. That's my reason for buying boutique basses.
 
In all of my bass buying experience I don't think I've once asked myself "hmm, how will the audience like the sound of this bass?". Does the bass inspire me to play? Yes? Great.

Amen and +1

I have also never bought a bass and said "I wonder if the members of Talkbass will approve of this bass" but, more importantly, I have never dreamed that I would be judged or condemned for my choices
 
They also believed that infectious illnesses were caused by evil spirits and used bleeding by leeches as a common therapy. Pneumonia was a common cause of death:D

As far as the notion of evaluating the resonance of wood......by on tapping the entire, hydrated, freshly fallen tree........well.....ask a modern luthier what he thinks of that, even if he is a wood disciple.

Sorry, I don't mean to be trite, but really????

Yeah really. At least, that is the legend.... the reality might be that they found some way to chemically treat the wood. Or that the "micro Ice Age" (sunspot minimum) that hit Europe some years prior forced slower tree growth, resulting in higher density wood.

But none of that detracts from the fact that two nearly identical instruments can sound quite different depending on the particular chunk of wood used.



I keep reading how people can't stand the look of some boutique basses. I'll tell you what i can't stand:

Scratchy cheap pots

All of which I have had personally had problems with with cheaper basses. That's my reason for buying boutique basses.

I played a used 6 string Warrior a couple weeks ago that had scratchy pots. Asking price: $3,000.00
 
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