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Ibanez 2024 release disappointing

Ibanez as we know it now has been around since 1957, and has its roots in the early 1900s. There’s nobody in this thread or on this entire form that’s run a successful musical manufacturing venture for 67 years.

They’ve been solvent and profitable for decades - they know what the heck they’re doing. They have a history of repeatedly embarrassed American guitar companies by staying current, being forward-thinking, and in some cases, simply building better guitars than USA mass manufacturers.

The old notion if “company X makes cool and different guitar Y I’ll be first to buy it” doesn’t hold water. This was proved beyond a doubt in the 19mm string spacing Music Man Stingray 5 debacle of 2011. This is where Ernie ball said they’d make a 19 mm string spacing SR5 if they got 125 orders, since so many players said they’d buy one if EB made it. The number of orders they actually got was a single digit.

It also seems cheap and easy for a company to modify an existing model to make a more focused and esoteric offering, but it isn’t. The costs for tooling, automation, and break from SOP aren’t cheap, even if CNC is involved. This can be a five or six figure venture very easily and companies just aren’t willing to throw that kind of money around. Too much of a ding to the bottom line.

As always, even though we’re talking about guitars and basses and we’re passionate about them, the laws and rules of business still apply. It’s easy to say “Ibanez should make….” when we’re not footing the bill for it.


I completely agree, except I feel that you’re missing some zeros to that highlighted part at this stage.

Throw in the need to train staff, QC, find alternative products for the specs needed, develop a shipping/marketing strategy plan, set strategic pricing, get buy in from management, acquire inventory, oh and deal with the increased costs of borrowing needed to even start these new production lines….
 
Seems like if you want a highly niche instrument that clearly doesn’t have the market appeal for a major manufacturer to invest in you should just have something made to your specs.

Somebody somewhere is wishing Tesla would make a diesel truck.

... with an AM radio!
 
So...does Ibanez shoulder some of the "nanny company" load now? Fender will be relieved to hear that some of the "why won't stupid xyz company fulfill my every wish?" rants being directed at their main competitor. I can almost hear the popping champagne corks at Fender's boardroom meetings...."Yay, it's not just us anymore!" :D
 
That BTB7MS is kind of interesting. I can't say I've ever seen another multi-scale 7 string bass before and the price doesn't seem bad either for such a niche instrument. It would be even better if they did a 37"-34" (I can understand why they didn't) instead of 35"-33.5".
 
My point is, they should take a look on what the community is doing mods on. The TMB35 is a unicorn among horses. Why not dig deeper into that niche. Their target group is already trying to diy variations of that bass. None of you addresses the 50 soundgear models. There’s in my opinion no balance.

This is going to sound harsher than intended, and I apologize for that (I worry that my writing voice is just a little gruff sometimes): I am fairly confident that, like any large company, Ibanez does quite a lot of market research. You should remember that TB and other such websites are a fraction of a fraction of all people who play the bass guitar - what "the community" is "doing mods on" may not be what makes Ibanez the big money.

Think of it like cars, because, although this is a massive oversimplification on my part, it's similar to the reason big car companies don't make a lot of "enthusiast" models: Toyota shipped 5,000 GR Corollas to the US between 2022 and 2023. They sold 3,900. In that same time period in the US, they sold around 450,000 non-GR Corollas. Who do you think Toyota should spend more time catering to? The 3,900 enthusiasts, or the other 450,000 people?

(edited to provide a link to the GR Corolla for folks who aren't familiar and to fix a tiny typo)
 
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I found it interesting.
I do hope that they re-release a P-J SR, a la SR800. In solid colors, with non-exposed Barts and a D-Tuner, in the less than $1000 segment.

Edit: Also, a bass with a tremolo would be nice, or a doubleneck.
It is time for something quirky from Ibanez, in the line of the Kaoss Pad bass and the Ashula.
 
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While were at it.
I would immediately buy a 5 string fretless musician mc888.
Please Ibanez, give us the bean bass!
Sincerely,
A guy who will definitely buy one maybe even two!
 

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They did two iterations of a BTB with those specs from 2015 to 2021.

BTB33
BTB845V
Yes, and I own a BTB33, which is a splendid instrument that is a mainstay for me. A lot of my work is playing jazz with one or two other players and no drummer. It's nice to play melodies and chords on it, and it's got a huge range of sounds.
 
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Eh, like any big company, Ibanez looks at sales numbers and market research to determine what to produce and market.

Online forum dialogue like this is great, but it's only a small niche of a larger picture. If companies only went by what forums were talking about, there would be a whole bunch of niche stuff that our little clubhouse likes, but once everyone in the clubhouse has one (since clubhouse members are the only ones who want it), then there's no sales growth, no money to be made, and the company goes bye bye.

If string companies went by what forum users say, there would be a LOT more balanced tension sets out there, but the sales numbers (be it for off-the-shelf balanced tension sets or people buying singles to custom gauge their sets for balanced tension) and market research (including lengthy discussions with dealers all over the world regarding what's happening in their dealerships) indicate otherwise.

Would I like Ibanez to bring back the SRX line and BTB 4-strings? Absolutely. But that won't happen since the sales numbers weren't strong enough to keep those.

Would I like ESP/LTD to bring out more basses (maybe an LTD version of the Halibut)? Absolutely. They're some of my favorites. But US sales numbers indicate otherwise. They make more money from their guitars than their basses, hence why they're marketed more (even though their basses are damn good).
 
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Am I alone with this opinion?

If you're not alone, its a very small club - you're asking for VERY niche stuff, and Ibanez makes stuff that sells in decent numbers. For what you want you need to be looking at small custom builders, not Ibanez. Yes, it'll cost more - stuff made one at a time for customers who want something very specific always does - that's the very definition of what a custom shop does.
 
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Back in the 90's Ibanez basses were NOT good; Now, Ibanez makes a really good product for the various price points, and having played quite a few bass brands over the years, I can honestly say that they are just about the best all around factory bass value wise. Playability and aesthetics are in the eye of the beholder.
That being said.....

They have a real problem with colors. Many of their color choices are, well, questionable. They also can't seem to understand that one boring or ugly color per model (in the higher ranges) does not cut it.
They do seem to understand the importance and beauty of tone woods, but then use too many on one bass or cover it in crap color.
They do not seem to understand that people do actually play 6 strings (many actually) yet do not offer many of them, especially fretless. No Steve Digiorgio 6? Really?
They had a great bass with the Single cut SRSC806. I have one and it's a beast! But they killed that model and never offered a 6 fretless.

I more than understand business and cost in manufacturing. But do they watch the aftermarket on their instruments? You would think a large corp like them would but I'm guessing they don't. They might learn a lot if they did.
 
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Would I like ESP/LTD to bring out more basses (maybe an LTD version of the Halibut)? Absolutely. They're some of my favorites. But US sales numbers indicate otherwise. They make more money from their guitars than their basses, hence why they're marketed more (even though their basses are damn good).

waitaminute, ESP made "An Halibut"?? :D

Dayumn!!
 
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