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IBANEZ EHB 1505MS VS KIESEL ZEUS ZBM5

IBANEZ EHB 1505MS VS KIESEL ZEUS ZBM5

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#21
Aidil said:
Hey panzerfaust,

I'm not sure local Indonesian Ibanez distributor would want to bring the EHB1505MS back to our country (yes, they have to reimport the stuffs back from nearest principal rep despite being manufactured in the country. They can't just take products from PT.Cort Indonesia - Ibanez East Java factory), cause they said the initial/list price for the EHB1505MS is going to be 29.7 mil rupiah (retail probably be around 23 milions). Too expensive, although... they are willing to if they are sure who's ordering it.

They are probably just going to bring in a few of the EHB100x series, as these are supposed to sell easier. But... most cases, they would only bring just 1 unit in. Seriously!
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Yes ...that's what i am trying to tell and explain to them ....hahahaa....gettin ehb1504ms as difficult as gettin kiesel....

I have tried to buy ibanez sr2400 amethyst and i have japan friend to buy it at therw and bring it for...still the cost is soooo high..4 million for baggage....not include the tax....if goin buy it by some kind of overseas buying service...the price will be higher....


sad right ? Finally i only buy sr 1400 mlg...because that's all that offered in my place....and not only place...i am lookin for sr2400 amethyst or srms800 in jakarta..bandung...surabaya...yogyakarta and you named all big city....but i found no clues whatsoever how to get that things with actual price
 
#22
panzerfaust said:
if you have to pick between these two,..which one you wanna pick according to playability,...product quality and tone versatility also price

and ah yes,..since kiesel can do custom i wonnder if i wanna do this spec on kiesel

fretboard : zebrawood
neck : black limba and flamed koa with gold evo fretwire
body (chambered) : claro walnut with quilted maple top
pickup : i guess Kiesel radium KRH is fit since i wanna do metal or some modern genre (or better krj ?)

i wanna looking for warm tone with good mid
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Kiesel makes better guitars/basses than Ibanez. The only way I'd take the Ibanez over the Kiesel is if I really had to have the narrower string spacing, as Kiesel is pretty much 19mm at this point.
 
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#23
panzerfaust said:
Yes ...that's what i am trying to tell and explain to them ....hahahaa....gettin ehb1504ms as difficult as gettin kiesel....

I have tried to buy ibanez sr2400 amethyst and i have japan friend to buy it at therw and bring it for...still the cost is soooo high..4 million for baggage....not include the tax....if goin buy it by some kind of overseas buying service...the price will be higher....


sad right ? Finally i only buy sr 1400 mlg...because that's all that offered in my place....and not only place...i am lookin for sr2400 amethyst or srms800 in jakarta..bandung...surabaya...yogyakarta and you named all big city....but i found no clues whatsoever how to get that things with actual price
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They've already brought in a few SRMS805's (and the older gen SRFF805 as well as SRFF806), but never the 4 stringer. I'm guessing they thought there wouldn't be any market for a 4 string multi-scale bass, locally.
 
#24
panzerfaust said:
i ask that because both of that bass i never tried that,..not all music store sell that,..and you have to do some kind of "finding someone who capable to bring that thing to my country"

if only those 2 already in music store,...i wont ask on this forum....well this is the sadness livin on 3rd world country,..for the music.,...sometime all you can do is looking as many review as you can and ask people who ever use it,...then order it,...

it's like blindfolded gambling buyer
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That is kind of weird because Isnt a lot of brands actually made their basses in your country ?
I think yamaha ,Ibanez and ....
Wont be acess easier to their product ?


But over all it sucks that big music stores are not into 3rd world country markets.
 
#25
wishforbass said:
That is kind of weird because Isnt a lot of brands actually made their basses in your country ?
I think yamaha ,Ibanez and ....
Wont be acess easier to their product ?


But over all it sucks that big music stores are not into 3rd world country markets.
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Only few people here who buy bass more than 1200 usd (14 million rupiah) my friend....compared with how vast our country it is .........

it is not weird...you will get used to it.....
so many famous brand here just only to produce and took raw material such as wood etc..and then go to outside of country then selling back inside with double or triple price.....

and they wont risk to sell expensive bass in indonesia perspective...because the demand of high price and quality bass is on your country...not ours

For some basses that labeled japan bass or us bass is only going there for quality control or small process...or worst...goin there just to get a "stamp" then sell it as international product
 
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#27
Koshchei said:
Kiesel makes better guitars/basses than Ibanez. The only way I'd take the Ibanez over the Kiesel is if I really had to have the narrower string spacing, as Kiesel is pretty much 19mm at this point.
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i’ve got both,the quality of an Ibanez premium bass to me is at least as good as Carvin/Kiesel

also I think multiscale basses benefit 5@6 string instruments more than 4string
 
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KramerDon said:
i’ve got both,the quality of an Ibanez premium bass to me is at least as good as Carvin/Kiesel

also I think multiscale basses benefit 5@6 string instruments more than 4string
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Same, and while the Premium is very very nice (better than older Prestige), my Kiesels are more directly comparable to PRS or Suhr in terms of fit, finish, and attention to detail. This isn’t meant to be a swipe at Ibanez — they’re fantastic instruments, and I actually prefer their basses to Kiesel - they have deeper pockets R&D-wise and seem to be less risk adverse when it comes to trying totally new things.
 
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KramerDon said:
i’ve got both,the quality of an Ibanez premium bass to me is at least as good as Carvin/Kiesel

also I think multiscale basses benefit 5@6 string instruments more than 4string
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how about tone versatility between those pickups ?


ole Jason said:
Unless you want something really outlandish/gaudy looking, which is fine if that's what you want, I'd advise simplifying your Kiesel build. Most of those figured woods don't really look good glued up together and the price will go through the roof. Kiesel build quality is great though, I have an Osiris guitar and love it. Awesome fretwork.
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bad in look,..or tone ?

Koshchei said:
Same, and while the Premium is very very nice (better than older Prestige), my Kiesels are more directly comparable to PRS or Suhr in terms of fit, finish, and attention to detail. This isn’t meant to be a swipe at Ibanez — they’re fantastic instruments, and I actually prefer their basses to Kiesel - they have deeper pockets R&D-wise and seem to be less risk adverse when it comes to trying totally new things.
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boutique bass vs mass production bass you meant ?
 
#32
panzerfaust said:
boutique bass vs mass production bass you meant ?
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Not really - Kiesel is boutique in some ways (the whole option 50 thing and kiesel edition builds), but has been industry-leading in terms of mass production for a long time too. No, Kiesel just puts a lot more attention into the hand-made elements of the instrument, like the fretwork, the finish, the sanding, etc., whereas Ibanez doesn't sweat these details quite as much until you get into the j.customs.

Again, not a knock against Ibanez - we're dealing with professional-level instruments in both cases, either of which should serve any musician flawlessly.
 
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#33
Koshchei said:
Not really - Kiesel is boutique in some ways (the whole option 50 thing and kiesel edition builds), but has been industry-leading in terms of mass production for a long time too. No, Kiesel just puts a lot more attention into the hand-made elements of the instrument, like the fretwork, the finish, the sanding, etc., whereas Ibanez doesn't sweat these details quite as much until you get into the j.customs.

Again, not a knock against Ibanez - we're dealing with professional-level instruments in both cases, either of which should serve any musician flawlessly.
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i just worry the quality of the multiscale headless that is new market for ibby than kiesel and dingwall,..that's all,..actually i am fans of ibanez rather than fender.,.,,.but for headless multiscale,...is relatively new for them compared to kiesel and dingwall experience with multiscale things right ? how about dead spot or neck dive or any fail construction on the very basic ? is ibanez as good as dingwall or kiesel in the term of headless multiscale bass ?
 
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I wouldn't mind having one of each! Halfway there is a good start.
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panzerfaust said:
i just worry the quality of the multiscale headless that is new market for ibby than kiesel and dingwall,..that's all,..actually i am fans of ibanez rather than fender.,.,,.but for headless multiscale,...is relatively new for them compared to kiesel and dingwall experience with multiscale things right ? how about dead spot or neck dive or any fail construction on the very basic ? is ibanez as good as dingwall or kiesel in the term of headless multiscale bass ?
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Kiesel uses Hipshot hardware and has an insanely strong neck design. Still, the Ibanez looks pretty decent also - the fan isn't too extreme and the neutral fret isn't out to lunch. As long as it's not cheap pot metal that's prone to breakage (historically not an Ibanez strong suit), your decision should come down to string spacing preference. I can't speak to dead spots in the neck as that's basically down to the individual characteristics of the wood - not every bass can use the truss rods to tune them out, like a Rickenbacker.
 
#36
I have no experience owning Ibanez electric basses, but I can vouch for Kiesel quality. I'm an extremely satisfied customer with my Vanquish multiscale 4 string pictured in my Avatar. Most stable and comfortable neck I've ever touched, rock solid hardware, and very well made. All my other basses stay home for gigs. I hope to raise the funds this year to add a multiscale Zeus to my collection. I do like the specs on the Ibanez headless, but Kiesel has won me over. Also they have a generous 10 day trial period if you can stay away from their non-returnable options.
 
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panzerfaust said:
i just worry the quality of the multiscale headless that is new market for ibby than kiesel and dingwall,..that's all,..actually i am fans of ibanez rather than fender.,.,,.but for headless multiscale,...is relatively new for them compared to kiesel and dingwall experience with multiscale things right ? how about dead spot or neck dive or any fail construction on the very basic ? is ibanez as good as dingwall or kiesel in the term of headless multiscale bass ?
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No need to overthink those, panzerfaust.

Ibanez has been around making guitars since the 50s or 60s. They had an Axstar headless guitars and basses in the 80s. They first introduced multi-scale SRFF4505 bass in 2014. So, it's just a matter of time they combine both.

The new 2020s EHB series are just their way of reintroducing headless basses into the millennium era. And this time around, they also combine headless with multi-scale in several models. So, do you still think that these are new to them or make them less experienced that the combinations will have fail construction on the very basics?
 
#38
I just pre-ordered the 6 string EHB headless Ibanez from Sweetwater.
I had been considering doing a headless 6 Zeus build but I wasn't super crazy about the body shape. I saw the Ibanez in a NAMM preview article and jumped on it immediately. It's more of what I was looking for, and I have other Ibanez basses which I like and suit me well. My current main bass is a large Ibanez single cutaway 6 string so this is a big departure from that... looking forward to having it on stage.
 
#39
ChrisOnjian said:
I just pre-ordered the 6 string EHB headless Ibanez from Sweetwater.
I had been considering doing a headless 6 Zeus build but I wasn't super crazy about the body shape. I saw the Ibanez in a NAMM preview article and jumped on it immediately. It's more of what I was looking for, and I have other Ibanez basses which I like and suit me well. My current main bass is a large Ibanez single cutaway 6 string so this is a big departure from that... looking forward to having it on stage.
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would you mind once you get your bass,..you give a slight review and the picture of your bass here ? i am very happy to hear your personal opinion about it

Aidil said:
No need to overthink those, panzerfaust.

Ibanez has been around making guitars since the 50s or 60s. They had an Axstar headless guitars and basses in the 80s. They first introduced multi-scale SRFF4505 bass in 2014. So, it's just a matter of time they combine both.

The new 2020s EHB series are just their way of reintroducing headless basses into the millennium era. And this time around, they also combine headless with multi-scale in several models. So, do you still think that these are new to them or make them less experienced that the combinations will have fail construction on the very basics?
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ah i forgot they had axstar,.....
 

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