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IEMs w/o limiters?

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Those are just headphone amps…

You need the limiter to protect you from feedback and any of the many unexpected, unintentional things that happen in a live setting.

This is a serious issue, as you can quickly have your hearing damaged.

I have run a cable from my bass DI box into a headphone amp into in-ear headphones, but nothing was in there but my bass.
 
#5
You can get a very nice limiter from Rolls for about $70, so it's something you can always add to a headphone amp. I think it's called the SL 33 or something like that.

I've been using a Rolls headphone amp without a limiter for a few dozen gigs (we have very nice automatic feedback suppression on our PA), but I'm about to order one of the Rolls units just to be on the safe side.
 
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BartmanPDX said:
You can get a very nice limiter from Rolls for about $70, so it's something you can always add to a headphone amp. I think it's called the SL 33 or something like that.

I've been using a Rolls headphone amp without a limiter for a few dozen gigs (we have very nice automatic feedback suppression on our PA), but I'm about to order one of the Rolls units just to be on the safe side.
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I hope you do a bit more consuliting before you consider that that'll put you "on the safe side".

And I don’t mean to be rude, but a person’s hearing is a serious matter, and of course you can do whatever you want, but that’s not good advice.


Imo…
 
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Marko5657 said:
I don't mean to be rude, and of course you can do what you want, but that's not good advice, nor responsible advice to give to another.

Imo...
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You don't know the details of my situation or setup. There are a variety of ways to achieve feedback control and limiting within a system. We're using several levels of it.

That being said, I was advising the OP that there's an affordable product available (the Rolls limiter) that might make an IEM system that had no limiting a workable option. I'm probably adding one myself as yet another level of protection, as you can never have too much protection.
 
#9
BartmanPDX said:
You don't know the details of my situation or setup. There are a variety of ways to achieve feedback control and limiting within a system. We're using several levels of it.

That being said, I was advising the OP that there's an affordable product available (the Rolls limiter) that might make an IEM system that had no limiting a workable option. I'm probably adding one myself as yet another level of protection, as you can never have too much protection.
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There are certain places that “affordable” shouldn’t be the major consideration.

Again, not trying to offend, but you described your levels of control, and they’re not inherently safe.

And again, you can do what you want, but since you don’t know the OP’s level of expertise (can we agree he’s not a professional sound engineer?), nor the details of his situation or setup, it’s just advice I wouldn’t give.

Imo… :)
 
#10
geez guys, we're talking about using IEMs, not defusing bombs.

limiters are a good idea, and most in-ear systems have them, but i find that just keeping the things at a properly low level like you should anyway is fine; if the limiter on my shure beltback is kicking in, i'm already too loud.

if you consider the typical on-stage "jet engine roar" you get pummeled with without ear protection, i think your ears are on balance much safer with IEMs, limiter or no.

and how often do strange, unexpected sound blasts happen in your systems, anyway? and how many of those are sent to your monitor mixes at high level?
 
#11
I'm not really concerned about the musicians on the worship team at my church, I've never had any such issues. I understand proper gain structure so I very rarely have anything overload.

But if I'm not the one mixing? I want to be sure that my ears and those of my fellow musicians are protected.
 
#12
It's common to have a limiter on a pro pa setup - without knowing your exact gear can't comment

I use the rolls pm351 often - if in doubt I use the body pack from a shure Psm200 (as a limiter)

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Like I always say, the pm351 is an incredible box on many levels - how it's deployed is the key
 
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Marko5657 said:
I hope you do a bit more consuliting before you consider that that'll put you "on the safe side".

And I don’t mean to be rude, but a person’s hearing is a serious matter, and of course you can do whatever you want, but that’s not good advice.


Imo…
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Why do you think that putting a Rolls SL33 limiter between a Rolls PM351 and IEMs would not be sufficient to put someone "on the safe side"? Why is recommending one not good advice?

Thanks,
Pete
 
#14
petesenkowski said:
Why do you think that putting a Rolls SL33 limiter between a Rolls PM351 and IEMs would not be sufficient to put someone "on the safe side"? Why is recommending one not good advice?

Thanks,
Pete
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Because you don't know where the limiter is set. Is it set to engage before the level gets dangerous? Does the person reading have any idea how to tell where it IS set, and where it SHOULD be set?

IEMs with built in limiters are set at reasonable levels. They know what a reasonable level is because they know exactly what sort of circuit is driving the headphones. An outboard limiter has no idea what follows it in the signal chain, relies on the user to figure that out. Or not.

Randy
 

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