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If Only One Bass, Fender or Sadowsky?

If Only One Bass, Fender or Sadowsky?

  • Any Fender

    Votes: 195 46.0%
  • Any Sadowsky

    Votes: 229 54.0%

  • Total voters
    424
Sorry for the huge post, but so many comments needed answers I felt it better to put them all together.

I wonder if you know the story behind why Roger chose the original design he did. I also wonder how you feel about acoustic guitar designs and the lack of originality inherent in practically every acoustic guitar available on the market (or any orchestral instrument, for that matter...).

Hmm... acoustic guitars and orchestral instruments variously evolved over a period of a couple hundred to perhaps even a few hundred years. Standardization of the instruments allowed advances in musical composition and arrangements which otherwise would not have been possible.

The Jazz bass, on the other hand, was first released in 1960. I'm not sure when the esteemed Mr. Sadowsky offered his first Jazz based full issue under his name, but as far as I can tell perhaps 30 years had elapsed since the Jazz was first issued, and no underlying musical advance of the proportion mentioned above resulted from his efforts. Sure, his electronics were and are recognized as being superb (and it might be argued are his real contribution to the market), but they didn't change music dramatically such as the rise of a full symphony, enabled by instrument commonality, over a chamber orchestra did.


iJazz...why are you so cynical?

Do you really feel so strongly about your opinion that you feel EVERYONE should feel the same as you?

What makes you feel I'm cynical? Just because I don't fall in line with the all praise Sadowsky camp means I'm cynical and that my opinion is completely without merit at face value? Please show me where I demanded, pleaded, cajoled, or even politely requested that EVERYONE feel the same as me. All I did was state my personal opinion and nothing more. I think thou doth protest too much.

And BTW...as stated before...Sadowsky EVERY TIME!!!!

Seems iJazz might prefer to drive a Model T as well ;-)

Sure! I'll take this one, please. You seem to have a problem with that, and I don't know why. Perhaps you are insecure in your own stated choices. I don't know.

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Your last quote suggests to me that you don't really believe your first. You've obviously made up your mind so I won't bother trying to expand it.

The two quotes you reference in no way nullify one another. Each individual has an opinion. You asked if I knew the story behind Mr. Sadowsky's original choice of design. The fact that you can't understand my humor now leaves me in the dark as to what your belief is which justifies Mr. Sadowsky's choices. You leave me wondering if he was the man who went up the mountain to Leo Fenders door and pulled the first prototype Jazz neck from the stone, or perhaps if it was the Lady of the Lake smitten by his grace who bestowed upon him the magic neck Excaliber, thereby making him the anointed one for whom there is no transgression in the mimic of the original work Fender et al produced.

The fact is that in his original work, Leo Fender and company produced what is arguably a design so perfect in form that it set the mark by which all others are and perhaps forever will be measured. Notice I said design, not execution thereof. Certainly I appreciate that Mr. Sadowsky's craftsmanship, and that of his firm, are legendary and recognized by many as second to none in the world. That's great! I just want that to shine through without drawing from the master so obviously as to be confusing if not deceptive. In my perspective the only acceptable mimic of the Jazz design are those later efforts of Leo himself. I'm not going to get into a whole breakdown of legal rights and failure to protect copyright and all of that mess.

What I will say is that Gibson, Rickenbacker, VOX, and a handful of others managed to set forth original designs which have stood the test of time and are in no way easily confused with the work of Leo Fender. In later years Steinberger did the same. All I'm suggesting is my disappointment in Mr. Sadowsky, and for that matter every other company who uses the Fender look for not doing the same as the others I've mentioned. Please note that I have in no way set forth an ad hominem about the man and have only spoken politely about him. By all reports he's a great guy and a wonderful proprietor to do business with. I hold him in respect for those facts.

I am not forcing any other individual to hold my critical opinion, however. I have merely stated it and no more. I am, however, being taken to task for having it and having the balls to state it out loud. Woe is me. Some thin-skinned players are unable to suffer an opinion counter to their own without rising to an offensive defense. Boo-freakin'-hoo! Grow some balls yourselves!

iJazz - I think you already know that. I won't be changing anytime soon.
 
Hmm... acoustic guitars and orchestral instruments variously evolved over a period of a couple hundred to perhaps even a few hundred years. Standardization of the instruments allowed advances in musical composition and arrangements which otherwise would not have been possible.

The Jazz bass, on the other hand, was first released in 1960. I'm not sure when the esteemed Mr. Sadowsky offered his first Jazz based full issue under his name, but as far as I can tell perhaps 30 years had elapsed since the Jazz was first issued, and no underlying musical advance of the proportion mentioned above resulted from his efforts. Sure, his electronics were and are recognized as being superb (and it might be argued are his real contribution to the market), but they didn't change music dramatically such as the rise of a full symphony, enabled by instrument commonality, over a chamber orchestra did.

If an instrument design works then it works. Would you be more accepting of Roger's having copied Leo Fender if he'd waited a few hundred years to come to the same conclusion he came to in only a couple of decades? Your reasoning here seems a bit shaky to me. As for the rest... never mind, I can't even be bothered.
 
You can always improve on things. Always.

We're only looking at the last 60 years of modern music. There's so much time remaining, there's so much time that has passed - the modern music era is tiny - but has the most advances, IMO.

If that's the essence of the OP's question, then I will choose Sadowsky.
 
You can't compare a $750.00 mass-produced Fender bass to a meticulously crafted $2,800.00 Sadowsky. It's not a fair fight. That being said, I currently own and enjoy the following basses:

Sadowsky Metro RS4 (Morado Fretboard)
Sadowsky Metro RV5-24 (Rosewood Fretboard)
Fender Deluxe American Jazz V (Rosewood Fretboard)
Fender American Custom Classic Jazz V (Maple Fretboard)

Although I love the Sadowsky basses for their clear, punchy and biting tone along with a neck made of butter, I give the edge to my Fender American Custom Classic Jazz V. Every note growls and it has that naturally compressed funky tone all the way down to the low B that I just can't live without.

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I picked a Sadowsky. A Metro p/j5 with Rosewood board and Ash body. That being said, I can't afford one and my main bass is a Fender US Deluxe Jazz 5 with Seymour Duncan pu's and pre, and Rosewood board and it plays great, so in real world terms, I will probably not be getting a Sadowsky ever, since this one is good enough by any standards I can come up with!
 
I have a Sadowsky Metro MV5 J-bass that is beautifully made, resonant and responsive, reasonably light (9 lbs), and has a few voices that sing wonderfully in the kinds of situations I find myself in (classic rock). It carries the band. I can always hear myself well because of the way it sits in the mix. And if I ever need more oomph, which is typically what I've wanted when playing in bands over the past 20 years, I reach for the on board preamp. I get lots of compliments on the bass too.

That said, it's not a P-bass. I can get close with the neck pickup on my Sadowsky, but sometimes I just want that classic P with flats tone. So, I just recently picked up a used Fender Roadworn 50s Precision and can say that it's as good a P-bass as I've ever played. Light (8 lbs), resonant, with that classic voice I want to hear. Build quality is great. Im not crazy about the relic wear on it, but the bass plays and sounds awesome. So, as an instrument, this sub-$1000 bass is just as valuable to me as the $2500 Sadowsky. It's a different tool and I love it.

I'd rather not have to choose between having one or the other bass, but I do choose which to play based on the music I'm trying to support.
 
Reviving an old thread but...

3 years ago I would have said Sadowsky, no argument. Just the best Fender style basses built ever. But finally got my hands on a 2012 fender P bass to try out and now I can't vote. 50/50 split.

Fender and Sadowsky are actually very very different feeling and sounding basses. I've had fender jazzes and P basses. I currently own Sadowsky metro Jazz 4 string and a Lakland P/J 4 string. Sadowskys have their own distinctive sound and feel and so do Fenders. I'll never get rid of my Sadowsky, although weirdly I'm using my Lakland mostly at the moment, but I think that's just cos I'm going through a P bass phase rather than choosing the Lakland over the Sadowsky.

I am gassing badly for a 2012 american standard P bass because it sounds and feels exactly how a P bass should but better... But also Fenders build quality has seemingly gone through the roof recently. Feels amazing. What I find is, good Fender basses do a thing other makes don't. It's like they have this almost inaudible but definitely present warm low end. In badly built basses it contributes to making everything muddy and undefined, in well built basses it adds this awesomeness underneath the definition of the note. Maybe because of all the competition from Lakland and Sadowsky and the other high end Fender style bass makers outdoing fender for the better part of 15 years, Fender have started putting more in to their basses again?

But it's really a horses for courses argument. Sadowsky for clarity and definition with its own flavour of warmth and basseyness that is completely different to Fender. AND an almost flawlessly built instrument. I haven't played anything that growls like my Sadowsky jazz bass or feels as well built.

Fender, cos it sounds and feels like Fender. And if you get a good one, nothing else will sound like it and, especially in the case of P basses, it's low end will sit in a mix only where Fenders do.

This is now just too difficult a thing to vote on!
 
Sadowsky's are great basses although my vote is for Fender....only because I despise the knock-off mentality. Maybe someone should modify my software design, look and feel, possibly make it a little better and call it their own. Same thing.
 
I own a '78 maple Fender Jazz and a 2012 Sadowsky Will Lee 5 string.
The Fender is my baby and I don't even take it out of the house
anymore for live gigs, just in case some drunk person dumps
a beer on it. To me, for finger style playing, I think the Sadowsky
wins. Punchy and present in the mix. (Perhaps because the
Fender is passive.) The Fender wins with the slap sound though.
Nothing is quite like that piercing slap tone ala' Marcus Miller.
Also, new technology really pays attention to eliminating
dead spots on the neck. Vintage Fenders have a problem with
this. The Sadowsky has NO dead spots. For an overall workhorse,
I would have to go with the Sadowsky. But when I do important
recording sessions I take both.