I'm about to underpower this cab to the max

[Masher88]

The 310212 cab is so efficient, you may decide that your 450 watts is plenty loud for you setting! You are going to be suprised at how much louder this cab makes your amp sound....trust me!

 

[need4mospd]

Change of subject, but how do you feel aboutt he ampeg b2re head? I am concidering buying one, with the matching bse410hlf and I'm wondering how owners feel about theirs. Thanks!

Well, it's been pretty weak with my Ampeg 410he cabinet. But I've kinda changed my mind a bit after I fired it up with the 310212 hooked up to it. I think since the 410hlf is a 4ohm cabinet you might be able to bring out the power of the amp a little better. If you aren't stuck to the Ampeg brand/sound, I might search around for a different rig just to compare it.

And just something to keep in mind, I got my used 310212 for less than a brand new 410hlf. It weighs the same, but I'm betting the 310212 would overpower the Ampeg pretty easy.

 

[bass_drum]

Well im definately nto stuck on the Ampeg sound, but I just found a wicked deal on the cab and head. The Schroeder might something to look into...

 

[Paul Hawthorne]

I have a Trace AH250SMX. I've read all these threads for days, here n the Trace thread.
Got rid of a Peavey 410tv(?) 350w 8 ohm, and an Avatar 8 ohm 1 12 (I forget wattage). Too heavy.

I'm looking to get a neo cab. Local store has an 8 ohm 800watt Traynor TC410 Neo. I emailed the manufacturer and they said my head would run too hot, and to get the TC210 400w 8 ohm.

That's fine and all, but, if I get two of the tc210, a 400w each 8 ohm(now a 4ohm load)(for each output),(or ever add another 8 ohm cab) aren't I back to underloading 800 watts?

I don't want to melt my head. I've had it forever and like it.

I'm running active EMGs if that matters, playing metal mostly in mid size venues, sometimes larger at house of blues.

Any advice appreciated.

Thx, Paul

 

[Chef]

There is no underpower
There is no underloading in terms of power, tho ohm load is important.

This thread is 12 years old.

For years I played a 25 watt fender Bassman into a 1000 watt Epiphani 410. There were no bad things that came of it.

 

[Paul Hawthorne]

Holy moly! Cool, thx 4 your response!

 

[agedhorse]

There is no truth to the amp running hotter with ann8 ohm 410 versus an 8 ohm 210. In fact, you will get more volume with the 410 so there's a chance your amp will run cooler.

 

[Paul Hawthorne]

Got it. Thinking I'll do 8 ohm 210, 400w, 1 can for smaller gigs, then add another 400w 210 for bigger gigs. These Traynor TC210 are pretty deep, as deep as a Mark Bass 115 cab. so I figure I need the portability and boom factor.

thx for the response.

 

[MattZilla]

I emailed the manufacturer and they said my head would run too hot, and to get the TC210 400w 8 ohm.

There is no truth to the amp running hotter with ann8 ohm 410 versus an 8 ohm 210. In fact, you will get more volume with the 410 so there's a chance your amp will run cooler.

One long question:

1) Is the manufacturer in a position to net more profit from a 210 than a 410?

2) Would they be apt to have a sales policy of pushing a cab that will move less air hedging on a consumer going and buying a second cab in short order so as to make up for it? That doesn't seem like a very Canadien way of doing business.

3) Does Traynor have a CS rep who got their EE degree from Guy's Budget TV & Radio Repair Shop?

 

[Paul Hawthorne]

No, I was thinking out loud for portability. The Traynor office emailed me n said the tc410 neo 800w may try my 250w Trace head, and to go with one TC210 400w.

I was just thinking out loud. The TC410 neo is quite a bit more in price

 

[BogeyBass]

I'm sure alot was taking out of context or misunderstood

 

[JimmyM]

One long question:

1) Is the manufacturer in a position to net more profit from a 210 than a 410?

2) Would they be apt to have a sales policy of pushing a cab that will move less air hedging on a consumer going and buying a second cab in short order so as to make up for it? That doesn't seem like a very Canadien way of doing business.

3) Does Traynor have a CS rep who got their EE degree from Guy's Budget TV & Radio Repair Shop?

1. Doubt it.

2. Depends on the situation. I can see many situations where two 210's would be more favorable to a person who needs a small rig and a bigger rig.

3. Can't rule it out, but doubtful any of them have EE degrees. Why work in CS if you have an EE degree unless it's temporary till the big job you applied for becomes available?

 

[JimmyM]

No, I was thinking out loud for portability. The Traynor office emailed me n said the tc410 neo 800w may try my 250w Trace head, and to go with one TC210 400w.

I was just thinking out loud. The TC410 neo is quite a bit more in price

Hmmm...maybe Mattzilla was right about #3.

 

[Chef]

Yeah
That’s a weird, and in my mind, invalid opinion

 

[agedhorse]

One long question:

1) Is the manufacturer in a position to net more profit from a 210 than a 410?

2) Would they be apt to have a sales policy of pushing a cab that will move less air hedging on a consumer going and buying a second cab in short order so as to make up for it? That doesn't seem like a very Canadien way of doing business.

3) Does Traynor have a CS rep who got their EE degree from Guy's Budget TV & Radio Repair Shop?

I have no idea about any of these.

 

[Paul Hawthorne]

Trace/British Audio emailed me back, said that my head would be ok pushing 250-350w cabs, up to even two 400w cabs @ 8 ohms each, for 4 ohms.

From my understanding, each cab would be pushing 125w to each cab I guess.

The Traynor/Yorkville guy advised against it, but said (naturally)whatever Trace says, to do that.

Sorry to be the millionth poster on the same beaten subject.

Thanks again, everyone.

 

[Paul Hawthorne]

The skinny on the AH250SMX:

I was mistaken. The Traynor guy was correct, to NOT use TWO 400w cabs, according to this, if im getting this right. Anyways, thx again, everyone!

"Most guys will get one 8 ohm, 250-350 watt cab. This is ideal for this amp because at 8 ohms you're pushing less than 200W. When you add another 8 ohm cab, you'll be pushing the full 250 watts and the volume will basically double due to the extra power output and extra drivers moving air.

So, 2 x 8 ohm cabs at 250-350 watts would be ideal. Even if you went to 400w cab that would be fine too."

 

[Paul Hawthorne]

Here's some fuel:

I found my old can info I'd sold from a FB post.

I used to run one or both of these cabs(each separate lines out, not daisy chained) w this head, no problems:

90s Peavey 410TX 700w max. 8 ohms
Avatar 4 ohm 2x12 (doesn't say watts) <---should have kept this one. It was light.

Thoughts? Am I back to the drawing board of confusion?

I guess this is why this thread will never die.

 

[JimmyM]

Paul, here's all you need to know:

16 ounces of water fits in a 32 oz cup. It will not overflow, it will not break, all it will do is cause your cup to be half full.

 

[Downunderwonder]

I have a Trace AH250SMX. I've read all these threads for days, here n the Trace thread.
Got rid of a Peavey 410tv(?) 350w 8 ohm, and an Avatar 8 ohm 1 12 (I forget wattage). Too heavy.

I'm looking to get a neo cab. Local store has an 8 ohm 800watt Traynor TC410 Neo. I emailed the manufacturer and they said my head would run too hot, and to get the TC210 400w 8 ohm.

That's fine and all, but, if I get two of the tc210, a 400w each 8 ohm(now a 4ohm load)(for each output),(or ever add another 8 ohm cab) aren't I back to underloading 800 watts?

I don't want to melt my head. I've had it forever and like it.

I'm running active EMGs if that matters, playing metal mostly in mid size venues, sometimes larger at house of blues.

Any advice appreciated.

Thx, Paul

Great amp. It can run either one 4 ohm or two 8 ohm cabs. The outputs on the amp are parallel mono.

Believe it or not the amp would run hotter with two x 210, 8 + 8 ohm = 4 ohm, than with one 410 8 ohm.

You cannot run 3 8 ohm 210 on your amp. TC [ the music co from Taiwan ] say you can run 3 of theirs on their 4 ohm amp but I wouldn't go there.

Vertical stack of 210 should be plenty for any stage.

 

[agedhorse]

The skinny on the AH250SMX:

I was mistaken. The Traynor guy was correct, to NOT use TWO 400w cabs, according to this, if im getting this right. Anyways, thx again, everyone!

"Most guys will get one 8 ohm, 250-350 watt cab. This is ideal for this amp because at 8 ohms you're pushing less than 200W. When you add another 8 ohm cab, you'll be pushing the full 250 watts and the volume will basically double due to the extra power output and extra drivers moving air.

So, 2 x 8 ohm cabs at 250-350 watts would be ideal. Even if you went to 400w cab that would be fine too."

Technically and factually incorrect and inaccurate.

 

[Raf Seibert]

I would prefer that makers omit the power ratings from their cabs. It’s not going to happen, but it would eliminate some of the confusion about these subjects.

Guys, make sure you’ve got your ohms right, and you’ll be fine.