Brad Johnson said:
I disagree. It's not a copy. But of course it's a recreation. Why else would it be called a Jazz?
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"In" Basses Vs. "Out" basses
- Thread starter paintandsk8
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I disagree. It's not a copy. But of course it's a recreation. Why else would it be called a Jazz?
popinfresh said:
Having played (and owned) several Fender Jazz basses, and spent a great deal of time with an Elrick NJS, I'd definitely say that the NJS is NOT a copy, or a recreation (which implies "direct copy").
It uses the general form as a beginning, but changes so much about it that it's a totally different creature, despite the visual similarites.
The truth is that there are two basic forms that almost every instrument that we play as EBG-ists derive from:
1) The Fender "P or J" format (any and all bolt-on basses start from here)
2) The Rickenbacker format (neck-through construction)
Pretty much everything is a variation of one of these two themes.
...nothing really "new" under the sun.
However, the amount of variation that is available from these basic templates is astounding, and there are genuinely unique variations out there, as well as some that are dead-on copies (Lakland Joe Osborne & Bob Glaub, the various Sadowsky "vintage" style instruments, the various Lull "vintage" style instruments) that are head-and-shoulders above the "originals".
popinfresh said:
To snare people who are attracted to names?
I don't know the real reason but it's neither a copy nor a recreation IMO. It doesn't look, sound or play like a Fender Jazz. I love mine, they're decidedly "Elrick" in character.
I love my Fenders too.
Fenders made the first and only Jazz,all others are just copy or attemp for make a masterpice like Fnders does,is very,very easy,Fenders is around the music industry since the first electric bass was made,they are the original,the others are just imitations,good and bads but remains imitations,attemps for create a instrument like Fenders,and most important,Fender have amazing instruments for a very nice prce,also pros use Fenders most than others brands..oh right Fender is Fender in any place of the planet,also in the moon. 
I haven't seen a Smith advertisment in Bassplayer mag is at least the last couple of issues (or Zon and others), he no longer makes "in stock" basses nor have I seen any significant changes to the web site is a long while. I've not recently read of anyone buying a new Smith either. Obviously he remains very capable making his top shelf bass, but with everyone and their mom making basses theses days (with most doing a pretty good job at it), things have got to be very tough these days. I can only hope that these guys are stashing away their $$$$ while they're hot 'cause being the top dog won't last forever.
Oh yes indeed! Let me show you a pic of my 25th Anniversary 5-24. I haven't posted it in several days. It's #15 of 25.tommixx said:
Gard said:
I disagree with this. I don't think basses can be lumped up into two catagories which depend on how the neck attaches to the body. You can't say a stingray is the same as a j or p because it's a bolt on, right? I think body shape is a big factor. Put a jazz neck on a p and it's still a p. Put p pups in a ray and it's still a ray. And if you hack the neck of a ric and bolt it on a skateboard and ride it to your next gig, what are you riding?
Stingray is a P-bass on steroids.Tattooed said:I disagree with this. I don't think basses can be lumped up into two catagories which depend on how the neck attaches to the body. You can't say a stingray is the same as a j or p because it's a bolt on, right? I think body shape is a big factor. Put a jazz neck on a p and it's still a p. Put p pups in a ray and it's still a ray. And if you hack the neck of a ric and bolt it on a skateboard and ride it to your next gig, what are you riding?
Tattooed said:I disagree with this. I don't think basses can be lumped up into two catagories which depend on how the neck attaches to the body. You can't say a stingray is the same as a j or p because it's a bolt on, right? I think body shape is a big factor. Put a jazz neck on a p and it's still a p. Put p pups in a ray and it's still a ray. And if you hack the neck of a ric and bolt it on a skateboard and ride it to your next gig, what are you riding?
Hoss, read carefully before replying: I said "basic forms".
And, as our esteemed Munji has already posted, the Stingray is a DIRECT descendant of the P bass - it was designed by Leo Fender himself, and his comment was that (paraphrase) "it is the Precision Bass I would design now (1976)."
I'm not saying that "all bolt-on basses are the same, all neck-thru basses are the same", I'm saying there are really just two basic ways to build the things! Ain't no way a Roscoe SKB 3006 is gonna sound exactly like a P bass, although both have the same basic design plan.
It's a darn good thing that there are variations on the theme, and that those variations are wide enough that people notice it, or I might be diggin' ditches!!!
KenToby said:
Not sure where you got your 'panoramic' view of the bass market, but Ken Smith jacked his prices up because demand outstripped supply. He's a TB lurker and not above stepping out to remind everyone he's still a fierce dog, indeed.
