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"In" Basses Vs. "Out" basses

#66
popinfresh said:
Sadowsky is just a rip off fender design, so of course they will be around.

I duno about Bongo's. I mean, Rick's are still around and they're something completely different to anything else..
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i love bongo's so much, i really really do, and im by no means a fender fan, although i am coming back arround very slowly to the ide aof buying a pbass, but even if sadowsky's are a rip off of fender you can't get much better then this

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#69
popinfresh said:
Sadowsky is just a rip off fender design, so of course they will be around.

I duno about Bongo's. I mean, Rick's are still around and they're something completely different to anything else..
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In all fairness to sadowsky and BigMikeW, sadowsky aren't just a rip-off. they are more an evolution, like porsche and gemballa for example.

That being said, its fair to say that jazz basses (in all their forms) are always in.
 
#70
dunamis said:
Moving from the specific to the general-- in: x-tra long scale (>35"), extended range (5+ strings); out: short and medium scale (<34"), 4 strings.
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Then we have a bit of a quandary here at TB; Sadowsky, having been for all intents and purposes voted "forever IN", does not make a 5-string 35" scale bass. Perhaps I'm wrong about that, but I just checked the Sadowsky website and that appears to be the case.
 
#71
jow83 said:
the point was they didn't try to break any new ground...
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I think Roger Sadowsky and all the loyal fans of Sadowsky (myself included) beg to differ. New ground was broken along the lines of attention to detail, tighter tolerances, and electronics. This is the reason Sadowsky has become popular.

jow83 said:
... or do anything involving risk.
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I'm assuming you mean from a body-style standpoint. If so, you are correct.

jow83 said:
im sure if i had the skill i could make fender copies and sell them for the same price - there is already a market for those kind of basses
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Even if you did have the skills to build jazz basses, doesn't mean you'll be successful. It's naive to think that you can just jump into an established market for anything, nevermind the high-end bass market.
 
#74
Wow I see a lot of great basses in the "out" category. My favorite bass right now is a 04 Warwick Streamer St. II, that for me, buries all these "in" boutique basses, most of which I've owned or at least played. I recently got rid of a very "in" Canadian handmade bass that was far behind this post-87 Warwick in constr. quality and playability. The organic feel and play of Warwicks (for me) makes a lot of basses including Fenders (or Fender clones) feel like playing a plank. But I ramble, this isn't my point.

Problem with fads is that things can be popular for the wrong reasons. Americans are quick to jump on fads, and we always want new and (what we think) is better; we can be a spoiled and fickle breed. This is certainly not always a bad thing, and I'm one of the many on the constant quest for better tone and playability. I am blessed to live in an area where I can try many kinds of basses thanks to a couple great shops. But, I refuse to consider the "minerals" of an instrument based on it's current status quo.

Vintage guitars and cars are in right now, and we've all seen the treads about new vs. vintage. Look at the popular music today. Corporate made boy and girl bands are "in". But they certainly lack substance.

Great thread though. Oh, and hold on to all those currently "out" basses, because chances are, in a few years, they'll be "in" again, and worth double.
 
#80
I just want to say that I did not call Sadowsky a Fender rip off. It is clearly based on Fender which gives it an automatic appeal to most electric bassists. Roger Sadowsky fills a demand for a high-end Fender style instrument, he deserves respect.

That said, I still like an original design like MTD, lakland 55-94, or MM Bongos.

Finally, I just checked out a German made Warwick Corvette fretless. I see what folks mean about a baseball bat sort of neck, but I found it comfortable and the bass sounded sweet to me. Damn, I'm tempted!
 

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