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"In" Basses Vs. "Out" basses

#42
I would like to add another category: the cult bass. The best example of this is the Musicman Bongo. It has a strong following, but it also attracts many critics unlike say the Fender Geddy Lee which is very popular but those who don't one aren't too critical.

Out basses: Pedulla, Zon, Tobias, ESP, Peavey (except for Cirrus).
 
#46
I tend to agree with the view points of both Mark Latimour and Dan Gouge. As for the discrepancy on the Ibanez posts I think it tends to depend on what is happening in a particular region in terms of availability and musical styles.

My list of in:

Peavey Cirrus
G&L
Bongo
Ibanez

Out:

Low end Peavey's
Yamaha
Spector
Warwick

I also think that Sadowsky, Lakland and Lull will become staple basses for a long time to come, joining the ranks of Fender and Ernie Ball.
 
#48
Funky Tune said:
and again the price play a huge factor,bolts on,s are less expensive basses and for this reason you see more people saying they are in,because they can purchase this type of instruments......all is based in points of views and opinions...the vast mayority of us are medium class work guys,we can,t buying a $2,000 or more bass.we have to pay house,car,we have childrens we have tons of bills,and again a nice Fender or Music Man save your live...oh well :hyper:
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No, bolt-ons aren't less expensive. Less expensive basses are less expensive. Price a Peavey Cirrus and a Sadowsky.

People generally got over the notion that neck-throughs were inherently "better" and finally realized that all they are is "different".


And maybe not even "better" different:D
 
#50
I also think the Metro has had a huge impact on Sadowsky's place in the market. I was always interested, but the idea of driving to NYC to check out a 3500$ bass didn't appeal to me. And a used one seemed to pop up every millennium or so. Metro's put Sadowsky's in dealers across the country. I played several in MI. before I bought my first, an opportunity that doesn't exist with the NYC line. Now I wouldn't hesitate to order one of Roger basses "sight unseen" as I just did. I would wager within six months of the metro's introduction the Sadowsky population (of owners) doubled.
 
#51
Its been mentioned already that fender and musicman are pretty much always around. i think this is because they are the companies that get imitated, an their products don't change drastically (if at all) meaning bass players know what they will get before they buy. as for sadowsky, or f bass, or any other boutique luthier, their basses tend to change with every new model, new configurations of woods, pups, strings, etc. meaning that bassplayers will want to upgrade, or get the new bass.

I can't count the number of posts where guys have mentioned that they own a fender p or j; and they also own a musicman. get it? there are basically these three types of instruments, P pup, J pup, H pup, Single coil pup, which are all represented by fender or musicman. so guys ( and girls) own one of each and cover all possible sounds that they could need. then they buy one or more luthier basses and keep changing, as often happens with that type of product.
 
#53
Funky Tune said:
and again the price play a huge factor,bolts on,s are less expensive basses and for this reason you see more people saying they are in,because they can purchase this type of instruments......all is based in points of views and opinions...the vast mayority of us are medium class work guys,we can,t buying a $2,000 or more bass.we have to pay house,car,we have childrens we have tons of bills,and again a nice Fender or Music Man save your live...oh well :hyper:
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...unless you live in Europe, where a American Deluxe 5er will cost you 2000 or more.
 
#54
paintandsk8 said:
I was thinking today about how there are Bass "fads" just like there are clothing and culture "fads". Right now for example, Sadowsky is the bass to have. Another real popular brand is Lakland.

When I first came to TB it seems that Warwicks were the "in" basses. Now they have moved out of the spotlight somewhat. Warwicks are still the same great basses they were, but they just aren't in public favor like they once were.

So, what great basses are out there that you just don't hear about? I want to know what names I should look out for at the music store, the has beens that are great basses still, but aren't in demand at the moment and are hiding in some back corner.

Also, what do you think is going to replace Sadowsky/Lakland as the "in" bass? (keeping in mind their price ranges)
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Th eproblem with adding Sadowsky into the mix is that among a lot of pros, session cats, producers, etc. Sadowsky's have been "IN" for 15 years or so.

Rogers stuff has gained ground gradually and now with the more affordable Metros more and more people are finding out what the buzz has been about.

Sadowsky's are hardly a fad. No offense at all to Bongo owners but lets see if that design will be arounf 10 years from now.
 
#55
BigMikeW said:
Th eproblem with adding Sadowsky into the mix is that among a lot of pros, session cats, producers, etc. Sadowsky's have been "IN" for 15 years or so.

Rogers stuff has gained ground gradually and now with the more affordable Metros more and more people are finding out what the buzz has been about.

Sadowsky's are hardly a fad. No offense at all to Bongo owners but lets see if that design will be arounf 10 years from now.
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Its pretty hard for sadowsky designs not to be around, seeing as they aren't his designs in the first place.

Damn fine instruments though, that can't be denied. :)
 
#57
Toasted said:
Why are so many people listing Pedulla as 'out' ?
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Most likely the price - that's a large amount to drop on a bass with less name recognition than Sadowsky and other same-level instruments. They also don't have a much exposure in the marketplace as other instruments apart from some GC's where they're typically dinged and badly set-up: not a bass you want to pull off the wall. I also believe their overseas exposure isn't as good as some other brands.

I would, however, put them in the "rising back towards *in*" because of one word: Muse ;)
 
#58
BigMikeW, I know you didn't mean an insult to Bongos, but remember that it is much harder to make a whole new design like the Bongo than it is to refine an already super popular intrument like Roger Sadowsky has done. I agree that Sadowsky will always have a market because it was built on the industry standard as a template.
 

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