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In the 70s we had rock gods...

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Did anyone else watch the AMAs?
We still have what we always had, you guys just got old.
Also they would have freaked over the ability to track spins the way we can now.
Funneling people to new content based on data points was the pen and paper dream back then to launch new verticals.

 
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Wow! Interesting thread and amusing regarding the things people will argue about. I often wonder about what keeps a Mick or Plant going. In the beginning it was about money and girls (fame). Now that they have all of that, what makes them perform, more to the point tour. I'm 10 years younger than most of them and have a hard time going down stairs to get my coffee. Is it the love of music or is it egomania. Where does that fire come from, it's got to be more of a chore now than ever..
 
I hesitate to make an all enveloping statement like "Rock is Dead," but it does seem to have been dying for a very long time. There has to be something new. People don't understand that when Rock and Roll first came out, it actually killed off other forms of popular music. The reason that doesn't happen now is that what is replacing rock is very diverse. Country. Hip Hop. Electronica. All of these could have been Rock's replacement, but they appeal to different people, and have their feet in rock anyway.
Rock, as a piece of our culture, shares some of the same attributes. Some of rock and metal is stuck in a time warp. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting a doom\stoner band that is trying so hard to sound like they are from the 70s that it hurts. However, there are still bands in that genre that are doing their own thing, as well as in other sub-genres.
Because US culture seems to have gotten stunted somewhere around 2000, of course you are going to see people looking backwards to something that is less complicated. There is an appeal to the 70s because it was before computers, before cell phones, before the huge political splintering, before globalization, before AIDS, before DARE, etc. That will be reflected in the "market" picking 70s wannabe bands.
Rock its self have become SO diverse that it is diluting its market share. Someone else mentioned this. As a consumer I can now dig into whatever rabbit hole niche I want. Its great for me, but it means there will never be a consensus again about something "everyone" likes. That means there can't be "rock gods." Not because performers now aren't that good, or ones in the past were that good, but because people's listening habits make such a confluence of opinions impossible.
Transversely, country, hip hop, EDM, jazz, etc aren't particularly diverse. A jazz or country album from 40 years ago could be remastered and released without anyone being the wiser. Hip Hop is a fairly young genre, and even though I'm no expert on it, I can hear the difference between music from the 80s, 90s, and 2000s. It is still in what I would call a box. Rock and metal have incorporated jazz, country, rap, and anything else into it at one time or another. Other genres rarely incorporate metal into their music because their fans\markets are too, for lack of a better word, weak to handle it.
 
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Did anyone else watch the AMAs?
We still have what we always had, you guys just got old.
Also they would have freaked over the ability to track spins the way we can now.
Funneling people to new content based on data points was the pen and paper dream back then to launch new verticals.


I saw a little of it.
What award shows consider "rock" is laughable. My heavier when I'm tuning than anything you will see on an award show. That doesn't mean great rock isn't out there, it means mainstream (I hate using the word now) outlets don't have more than a keyhole view of the musical landscape.
 
I blame all the soy.

Oh no you di'int

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Inspired by the Freddie Mercury thread, I am inspired to say this:

In the 70s (and 60s and 50s) we had rock gods. And goddesses. Now there are just pale, derivative imitations. The people of today are not the people their forbears were.

Gods are made by worshipers. Go to a Phish show. You'll see the worship. The difference now is that there is sooooo many more entertainment options. It's increasingly difficult for rock musicians to reach that level because of the saturation of entertainment options outside of live music.

Yes there are more entertainment options but music has become simpler with heavy reliance on sampling, auto-tune and a general lack of creativity.
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OK, quick internet etiquette lesson:

For me, Phil Lynott, Janis Joplin, Alex Harvey, Jimi Hendrix etc define the term.
That "for me" means EVERYTHING.
For you I imagine something different, although I don't really care
Then why would you expect anyone to care about what you think? If you don't care about what other people think of your opinions, why did you say anything in the first place?
 
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As a young rock musician, I think part of it is that the rock gods have already been decided. We (current young people) have gods of newer genres of music, but the era of rock wasn't ours and even the best rock musicians now won't be considered gods until the old are forgotten.

As for "rediscovering" music, here's how I see it. I like music that happened in the past. There's a limited supply by nature of it having already happened. Naturally I want more music, so I'm going to write and play music that sounds like the stuff I enjoy listening to. Over time trends and technology will evolve the sound of somebody trying to recreate old music into something entirely different.
 
In the 70s (and 60s and 50s) we had rock gods. And goddesses. Now there are just pale, derivative imitations. The people of today are not the people their forbears were.

Biiiiiiiiiiiiiiig +1 :thumbsup:

Back then, actually having *talent* was a major part of the equation (remember talent?.....you know, good composition, good knowledge of the fretboard, good lyrics, good sounding vocals without suckwad autotune, ability to play and sing live and sound good, etc.). Nowadays, any knuckle-dragging under-evolved neanderthal with absolutely Z-E-R-O talent can record stuff and put it out there for our ears to be painfully subjected to. Thank goodness for mute buttons that can be accessed quickly! :)

IMO, what has diluted today's music to such a pathetic level is simply lack of talent because *anyone* can now record their crap and put it out there.
 
Yes there are more entertainment options but music has become simpler with heavy reliance on sampling, auto-tune and a general lack of creativity.
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And this is why using memes to attempt to prove a point is often dicey.:rollno:

The meme only quotes one part of the Beyonce song. There are several full verses left out.

That's like quoting the last four minutes of Hey Jude, with the Beatles going "Nanana nanana, nanana, hey Jude", and putting it up against a word-filled verse of a Kendrick Lamar song.
 

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