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Interesting take on Tool..

#41
Sonic_Death said:
For all you guys with their complaints in the last few posts, maybe you should try looking up the lyrics to their songs and following along with the song as it goes. It definitely gave more meaning to a lot of their songs for me when I read the exact lyrics.
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But I would want to listen to interesting music whilst I follow along, otherwise I would just read poetry. It's hard to believe, I know, but you can't convince everyone to like Tool.

That's what bothers me the most. I've had some Tool fans (nobody here) get visibly upset that I just flat out do no like Tool. They will get angry with me when I explain my reasoning.

Some people hate my favorite bands too, life goes on.
 
#42
Matt Till said:
But I would want to listen to interesting music whilst I follow along, otherwise I would just read poetry. It's hard to believe, I know, but you can't convince everyone to like Tool.
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True enough. I've never been persuaded to like a band from an intellectual standpoint. Music is something that either grabs you or it doesn't. Good lyrics are important (but not crucial) to me in music I like, but I have to like the music first before the words even matter at all.

Matt Till said:
Some people hate my favorite bands too, life goes on.
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Yeah, don't I know it. Apparently a number of my favorite bands are among the most hated by the majority of TBers. I've seen the threads. But all that really matters is that the music I like means something to me.
 
#48
Your doing the math wrong. It has something to do with the number 13.


6+7
5+8
4+9
13
1+12
2+11
3+10

I can't remember my source. It may have been another thread here. You also have to be able to link these songs seamlessly in this order and they do flow much better.

There was also a couple of songs from 10,000 days that if started at the same time they seem to mesh to an extent.

So I experimented with this idea ith one of the programs I used to have and started various Tool songs together at the same time. Very very interesting results.

Brad Barker said:
i've listened to lateralus so many times that the original track order is ingrained in my brain. i'll try to give the weird ordering a listen.

and what in the aytch does this ordering have to do with fibonacci?

6, 7, 5, 8, 4, 9, 13, 1, 12, 2, 11, 3, 10


um... let's see... 7-6=1, check.

7-5=2. check, i guess, if we're skipping the a_0 term.

8-5=3.

8-4=4, not 5.

um... 6+7 = 1 mod 12.

7+5 = 1 mod 11.

5+8= 2 mod 11.

etc.

:D:D:D


yeah, so what's the deal?
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#49
Rumzini said:
Your doing the math wrong. It has something to do with the number 13.


6+7
5+8
4+9
13
1+12
2+11
3+10

I can't remember my source. It may have been another thread here. You also have to be able to link these songs seamlessly in this order and they do flow much better.

There was also a couple of songs from 10,000 days that if started at the same time they seem to mesh to an extent.

So I experimented with this idea ith one of the programs I used to have and started various Tool songs together at the same time. Very very interesting results.
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would dig hearing some of that!

if you've got the time to "You Send It" :)
 
#50
Brad Barker said:
i'm unconvinced that that is intentional.


cool video, but the fibonacci sequence is overrated, imo, and the worship of it seems to hearken to numerology. :hmm:

tangential: i don't understand why people associate the number of chromosomes with the degree of sophistication of a species ("46&2"). potatoes have 48 chromosomes, yet the best thing that they've ever done is turn into french fries.
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If only humans were as useful as potatoes...
 
#51
Wings of Marie: 6:11
10,000 days: 11:13
Viginti Tres: 5:03

Add Viginti tres to Wings:

Viginti + wings: 11:13
10,000 days: 11:13

When placed one over the other, at 9:13ish they both line up perfectly and a small portion of the song is played in complete unison.

Coincidence maybe. But funky none the less.
 
#52
Rumzini said:
Your doing the math wrong. It has something to do with the number 13.


6+7
5+8
4+9
13
1+12
2+11
3+10

I can't remember my source. It may have been another thread here. You also have to be able to link these songs seamlessly in this order and they do flow much better.

There was also a couple of songs from 10,000 days that if started at the same time they seem to mesh to an extent.

So I experimented with this idea ith one of the programs I used to have and started various Tool songs together at the same time. Very very interesting results.
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well, by the end, there, i was intentionally doing the math wrong. :p

but how in the hell does 6, 5, 4, 13, 1, 2, 3 relate to the fibonacci sequence in any manner?
 
#53
f'nar f'nar said:
Wings of Marie: 6:11
10,000 days: 11:13
Viginti Tres: 5:03

Add Viginti tres to Wings:

Viginti + wings: 11:13
10,000 days: 11:13

When placed one over the other, at 9:13ish they both line up perfectly and a small portion of the song is played in complete unison.

Coincidence maybe. But funky none the less.
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It's not a conincidence, it's meant to do this. That's why Viginti Tres is just a random noise clip...
 
#54
TheBigO said:
True enough. I've never been persuaded to like a band from an intellectual standpoint. Music is something that either grabs you or it doesn't. Good lyrics are important (but not crucial) to me in music I like, but I have to like the music first before the words even matter at all.
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I count myself among those who think that Tool are geniuses and I can't listen to 10,000 Days enough. I was never really a fan of the band at all until I was exposed to many hours of Lateralis played over and over by a co-worker, and it eventually started to grow on me as I picked up the odd time sigs and rhythms and I figured out what the music was trying to do.

I bought the album 10,000 Days not having any expectations, good or bad, but I sat in the dark with no distractions and listened to the entire album from beginning to end through my good headphones and I was just blown away by how each song evolves and how the music is finely constructed and put together song by song, in layers. It's the first time that any modern music has moved me through its intellectual precision and I find more and more "easter eggs" every time I listen. It reminds me of something like Beethoven's 9th symphony in its complexity that becomes musicality.

I don't try to explain it to people who don't like Tool. It's like trying to explain why a joke is funny to a person who isn't laughing after the punch line is delivered.
 
#55
f'nar f'nar said:
Wings of Marie: 6:11
10,000 days: 11:13
Viginti Tres: 5:03

Add Viginti tres to Wings:

Viginti + wings: 11:13
10,000 days: 11:13

When placed one over the other, at 9:13ish they both line up perfectly and a small portion of the song is played in complete unison.

Coincidence maybe. But funky none the less.
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i wish i could try this... but audacity wont open mpeg 4 files... and i checked that section... and it is the same in each song
 
#56
hbarcat said:
I don't try to explain it to people who don't like Tool. It's like trying to explain why a joke is funny to a person who isn't laughing after the punch line is delivered.
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Maybe some of us don't find the joke funny. Maybe some of us think the "comedians" have been telling the same jokes over and over again.

Your comment seems to imply that non Tool fans are too dumb to get Tool. I "get it," I'm just not overly impressed, and uh... the Tool/Beethoven comparison? Alright...
 
#57
hbarcat said:
It's the first time that any modern music has moved me through its intellectual precision and I find more and more "easter eggs" every time I listen. It reminds me of something like Beethoven's 9th symphony in its complexity that becomes musicality.
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I can definitely appreciate Tool, but that doesn't necessarily equate to loving them, though as I've said I like them OK. A more extreme example is Steely Dan, who I have great respect for as musicians and songwriters, but whose music I can't stand to listen to.

hbarcat said:
I don't try to explain it to people who don't like Tool. It's like trying to explain why a joke is funny to a person who isn't laughing after the punch line is delivered.
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I can explain to people the historical value, the cultural relevance or the ability shown in different music, but in the end it all comes down to what moves you. For instance, Radiohead's Kid A was my favorite album for a long time, but I knew a ton of people (including my ex-girlfriend) who couldn't stand to listen to it. Different strokes.
 

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