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That article is pure . . . there's really no other way to describe it. It captures a self. And much like Scott said about hearing his playing, if you don't get it the first couple times (I'll give you a few chances) it doesn't matter how often you revisit it, you're not going to get it.

Having read it again - for me, probably the first time since that time at that newsstand - it still resonates and rings with the same veracity.

And here in lies the problem with the request for validation (and don't get me wrong, I fully feel it and get it). My nod to Field of Dreams works on a metaphorical sense, but it can't really work in truth.

My thought is that Scott would honestly think, "How can I tell you if you're any good." "Does it even matter." And we know it matters to you because he's your Shoeless Joe. But the subjective nature of the art leaves it impossible to define good or bad when you step out of the so called "technically adept" realm. His only assement can be, is this your true self on the instrument? He harkins back to John Paul Jones various times, could the clue be in there? I think perhaps. What you're playing is a Ray Shulman tune, a song you love, a song you live and breath. An artist that helped shape you on the instrument and essentially shaped your life.

Ask yourself, was that the real me right there in that clip? If you know the answer, and only you can know that answer, then you don't need Scott to tell you.

Just my two cents. He could say you suck.
 
I wrote this for myself in 1997. It was never published. This is the first time it's seen the light of day. I present it to all of you as my gift. Enjoy.

Hell is in Los Angeles

I was invited to see a monstrously talented band that's been knocking around Los Angeles for the last five years, trying to make it. They're extremely nice guys whose publicist always gets one of the following three aspects of her band’s shows wrong: Date, place, or time. She said this gig would be at nine on Saturday night at a club on Santa Monica Boulevard.

I drove the forty minutes there and found the band’s name on the marquee and my name on the list. Things were looking good. Inside, a quartet of thirtyish white men in jeans and J.C. Penny button-front shirts played "Johnny B. Goode." The audience of twelve pumped their fists and let loose with an occasional “Ow!” After a fifteen-minute version of the song, complete with bass and drum solos, the band launched into "House of the Rising Sun." The guitarist kept hitting the wrong fret and quickly correcting himself, producing a Charles Ives effect that made my teeth hurt.

I went into the front lounge, where the bartender--a twentysomething woman in a tank top and ripped loose-fit jeans--stood behind the bar, smoking. She’d adopted a ridiculously contrived stance, her right leg and buttock on the counter, her left foot planted on the floor, like a composite photo of one woman sitting in a lotus position and the other standing at attention. She had an enormous Carly Simon mouth and long streaky-blonde hair, and her low-cut top displayed her deep cleavage to a babbling middle-aged drunk on a stool in front of her. He poured out a flood of incomprehensible sounds, just mah-meh-bleh-mah-meh-mi-bluh as he kept his eyes locked on the bartender's magnificent chest. She ignored him, a woman patiently waiting for a bus.

I went out and checked the schedule tacked to the front door, which I should've done earlier, and saw that my band wasn’t playing at nine; it was playing at midnight. That meant that after the hour-long show, the schmoozing, and the drive, I’d get home at three. Ever since I stopped drinking seven years ago, my stamina has steadily decreased. Who knew that alcoholism kept you in shape? I’d have to tank up on Diet Coke to make it through the night. I ordered my first from the wide-mouthed bartender and tipped her a dollar. "Think you," she said with a smile, her eyes lowered demurely as her hand snatched the money with the speed of a chameleon's tongue.

Two more bands played before the one I was there to see. The first was a Rush cover band whose lead singer kept saying things like, "So this is L.A.!" and "We've heard so much about L.A. audiences, so give it up!" That meant they were touring. I was floored. They were popular, too, because as soon as they started playing, the room filled with cheering people. This despite the fact that the vocalist-guitarist didn't hit a single note dead center the entire show. He'd adjusted his microphone to tower over him; to reach it, he had to throw his head back, making him look like a plucked turkey on a butcher's hook. I could hear his vocal cords shredding, every vein and tendon standing out on his neck and forehead.

Another bar faced the stage. I sat at one of the tables in front of it and eavesdropped on the conversations taking place around me. Everybody bellowed and roared to be heard over the music, spraying each other with saliva.

Most of the activity centered around a tall woman in a black cocktail dress that half-concealed the large tattoo on her right shoulder. She had a nest of porny blonde hair and was somewhere between thirty and fifty. A roll of back-fat slopped over the top of her dress and her gigantic breasts were balanced by a gigantic rear. Her fishnet stockings showed off her dimpled thighs. Two men interacted with her. One was a fat biker with sleeves of tattoos peeking out from under his black T-shirt, and the other looked exactly like Peter Hook, with the same leather pants, surfer’s hair, and sleepy expression. These two joked with and hugged everyone around them, but they gave off waves of imminent violence, a kind of radar that scanned the room for targets.

I've taken lessons from my brother on how to deflect this sort of attention. It's very easy: sit or stand as tall and as straight as you can; hold your head up; don't look anyone in the eye; and don't swing your arms when you walk. Humans slouch, make eye contact, and swing their arms when they walk; creatures that are other, don't. Since the brains of most human males will register only rivals or possible mates, you--a member of a different species--won't even be noticed. I sat up on my stool and stared into the middle distance, and these men no more than two feet away didn't see me.

The tall blonde shepherded a flock of girls who looked to be no more than sixteen. Most had nose-rings and baby tees, which distinguished them from the Original Rockers, older ladies with big hair, skin-tight jeans, and black T-shirts. Skinny sideburns and gas-station attendant shirts differentiated the young males. The boys and girls looked touchingly childlike next to their craggy older brothers and sisters, but both age groups pounded beer, sucked on cigarettes, and went "Ow!" together. It’s called "modeling," something I think about a lot because my three-year-old nephew is now allowed to call me on the phone and ask me to come over and play. When I do, I have to be careful, because he’ll copy everything I do. If I clear my throat (one of my many nervous tics), he'll do it too. If I cross my legs, he'll cross his legs. It’s a terrible responsibility.

In front of me, Peter Hook took his hands off the shoulders of the two teenagers he'd tucked under his arms and brushed his fingers down the front of the tall blonde’s dress. She arched her back, her breasts popping out like ICBMs. She’d been playing with a cigarette for five minutes, mouthing it and caressing it but not lighting it.

"Hey," Peter yelled. "Don't be wearin' dresses like that."

"Why not?" she screamed. Her voice not possible, a piercing croak.

"Well, you don't wanna go showin' yer... yer... t*tties like that."

"Why not?" she asked again. "You already seen the whole package."

She lit the cigarette, inhaled massively, and released only a tiny wisp of smoke. The nose-ring girls swiveled their heads back and forth. Peter stared at the blonde for a few seconds, his lips moving. Finally he came up with an answer.

"'Cause I might wanna see the whole package again!" He spun away and did a head-bobbing hula victory dance, his face scrunched up, snickering with his tongue jammed into his lower teeth like Robert De Niro: A-hyih-hyih-hyih-hyih!

The blonde rolled her eyes and told two of the nose-ring girls to ask me if they could sit at my table. My humanity was obviously showing, so I stood and bore down on the girls, my arms hanging at my sides like dead things. The girls scattered and I went up to the VIP lounge to see if anything was happening. I'd been given an "All Access" sticker, which was funny because there was no backstage or dressing rooms, just the tiny bar upstairs. A gargantuan bouncer grabbed me on my way up, and I thrust out my own chest so he could see the sticker. He leaned in and peered at it, his brow knitted; I wondered what would happen I shook my shoulders and squealed "Boop-boop-be-doop!" Upstairs the crowd consisted of bloated, sweating, florid, older men and their heavily made-up robot trophy companions.

I went back downstairs just as the the Rush cover band finished, the singer's cracked "EEEEEEEE-YAY-YUH!" causing my face to tingle and my spine to chill in vicarious humiliation.

The next act was a Led Zeppelin cover band. They all appeared to have had cosmetic surgery to look more like their idols, and their milling crowd of a road crew wore T-shirts that proclaimed them "The Best Zepp Cover Band Touring Today." Introducing each song, they used cheesy Spinal Tap British accents, saying things like, "This is oaf ah fird owbum," or "We 'ad a loat a fun recoadin' this tewn." For someone with as tenuous a grip on reality as I have, it was terrifyingly disorienting, especially since they were tremendous musicians. They brought in an even bigger crowd, most of whom were in their forties. There were a few very young fans, all with muffin tops under the hems of their baby tees.

My band went on at midnight, and the room instantly cleared. They killed; nobody was there to see it except me. My heart ached for them. After the show, I spoke to them, telling the bassist that it was the best show they’d ever put on. He thanked me the way a mourner accepts condolences. I was out of the club by 1:30. On the drive home, I pondered the fact that I’d had absolutely no idea--even after five years as a music journalist--that there were cover bands that toured the country. And after the show they’d go up into the VIP lounge, meet with some boozy Industry hangers-on, and then go back to their Motel 6 with some muffin-topped groupies before hitting the road again the next day. It was as though they'd sold their souls to an incompetent, delusional Beelzebub, a big-talking loser-devil whose two-bit powers could grant them only a crappy, rinky-dink version of stardom. But they went for it anyway.

This is an unbelievable business.

(Note: The band in question finally made it. They're all happy, healthy, wealthy, and famous now. God bless 'em.)
 
Hi. I'm not a bassist -- I'm a drummer (If it helps, think of me as the one who can read.) A music blog I read directed me to this thread.

Tom, I read your book last year through the interlibrary loan at the college where I work (I'm an English professor to support my music habit), because I'm a big fan of the work of Mr. Casale and Mr. Thunes. I enjoyed it greatly, and I've enjoyed these stories as well -- they remind me of my days as a freelance music journo back in the 90s. I'm grateful to you for sharing them, and I'm delighted to see Mr. Thunes both in this thread and sharing his gift.

I'll leave you guys to your community again, but as I said, I wanted to let you know how much I enjoyed this thread and the book.

Best wishes from the other side of the rhythm section,
Warren Moore
 
Thanks for the bass pic!

I'm un-employed right now. I can bus Scott's kids, mow the lawn, run errands AND cook for Mr.Excuses. C'Mon Scott! I did send him a message. And Tom, you have/had serious chops. Looking forward to reading your book.

Best, DeWayne
Thanks very much. Scott will hate you for the offer, but don't take it personally.

DON'T TAKE ANYTHING HE SAYS PERSONALLY. If you're on the receiving end of a Thunesian barrage, the best defense is to give as good as you get, but without crossing a certain line.

The actress Ethel Barrymore was a legend in her day. She worked hard to develop her skills. At a party, a complete stranger kept calling her "Ethel." Finally she said to him, "Hell, just call me 'Cuddles!'"

So.
 
Hi. I'm not a bassist -- I'm a drummer (If it helps, think of me as the one who can read.) A music blog I read directed me to this thread.

Tom, I read your book last year through the interlibrary loan at the college where I work (I'm an English professor to support my music habit), because I'm a big fan of the work of Mr. Casale and Mr. Thunes. I enjoyed it greatly, and I've enjoyed these stories as well -- they remind me of my days as a freelance music journo back in the 90s. I'm grateful to you for sharing them, and I'm delighted to see Mr. Thunes both in this thread and sharing his gift.

I'll leave you guys to your community again, but as I said, I wanted to let you know how much I enjoyed this thread and the book.

Best wishes from the other side of the rhythm section,
Warren Moore
Thank you, Professor Moore! High praise indeed.

The first time I saw Devo perform "Satisfaction," I fell deeply and personally in love with Jerry Casale, a bassist who has never received the recognition he deserved for how he plays our instrument.

He got that tone out of a Gibson Ripper! What the hell?! As far as I'm concerned, this one song is enough. If they'd never done anything else, they'd still be Immortals. This song is over 30 years old! Check out the subtle dynamics in the bass riff. You could listen to this 5 million times, and it would never be enough. You'd still have to listen to it again.

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And here in lies the problem with the request for validation (and don't get me wrong, I fully feel it and get it). My nod to Field of Dreams works on a metaphorical sense, but it can't really work in truth.

My thought is that Scott would honestly think, "How can I tell you if you're any good." "Does it even matter." And we know it matters to you because he's your Shoeless Joe. But the subjective nature of the art leaves it impossible to define good or bad when you step out of the so called "technically adept" realm. His only assement can be, is this your true self on the instrument? He harkins back to John Paul Jones various times, could the clue be in there? I think perhaps. What you're playing is a Ray Shulman tune, a song you love, a song you live and breath. An artist that helped shape you on the instrument and essentially shaped your life.

Ask yourself, was that the real me right there in that clip? If you know the answer, and only you can know that answer, then you don't need Scott to tell you.

Just my two cents. He could say you suck.
I predict that Scott's response, IF IT EVER COMES--will be very similar to yours.

And that's excellent. All I want is an opinion publicly expressed, not only because he is my Shoeless Joe, but because I've written about his playing publicly, and now I demand that he do the same about mine.

He's blogged about my interview and book many times. What I'm looking for is NOT VALIDATION. I'm looking for a coda.

And he's the only one who can provide it, whatever that coda turns out to be. When he provides the coda, I can happily put my last demons and ghosts to sleep. Even if he refuses to comment, that's a coda, too, and it will be perfectly in keeping with all that's gone before.

A public refusal to comment because it's not appropriate since art is subjective, or since I'm putting too much stock in his opinion, or because he fell asleep 30 seconds into it is fine.

But at this time and place, after this weird, bizarre, hilarious, unexpected thread that has gone completely out of control, I decided that I would make an unreasonable demand, just to see what would happen.

Just two months ago, I wouldn't have done it. I'm not the same person I was two months ago. It's weird but gratifying.

All will be well, no matter what happens. Trust me. No coda is itself a perfectly appropriate coda. But the demand had to be made. And it had to be a demand, not a request.
 
Thanks very much. Scott will hate you for the offer, but don't take it personally.

DON'T TAKE ANYTHING HE SAYS PERSONALLY. If you're on the receiving end of a Thunesian barrage, the best defense is to give as good as you get, but without crossing a certain line.

The actress Ethel Barrymore was a legend in her day. She worked hard to develop her skills. At a party, a complete stranger kept calling her "Ethel." Finally she said to him, "Hell, just call me 'Cuddles!'"

So.

He probably hated me at the start of the p. message. It's all good. I look forward to more memories.
 
Tom, if I may ask, what type of arthritis has affected you? I myself have issues with rheumatoid arthritis, in both of my hands, but somehow I can still play my bass, although on a 6 string guitar, it has pretty much become impossible for me to do anything more than a few chords, and I have good days and bad days with that. I decided that the worst thing I could do was to stop. Sometimes my hands hurt after a gig, and I did have to adjust my technique somewhat, but by golly, I can still play! I have a couple of video links of a recent gig, sound quality is so-so, but you can see the state of my hands at times throughout the videos.

The Back on Earth Band - Rockin' Robin - YouTube

The Back on Earth Band - Brown Eyed Girl - YouTube

I realize these are tired old songs, but our fans love them, so we play them. I'm not expecting any kudos or anything for the vids. I guess my point is to find out what kind of arthritis caused you to have to give up something you obviously loved. I know that someday I may be faced with the same dilemma, but I hope it's not for a good long time yet...fortunately the RA is in remission, so I soldier on...
 
Tom, if I may ask, what type of arthritis has affected you? I myself have issues with rheumatoid arthritis, in both of my hands, but somehow I can still play my bass, although on a 6 string guitar, it has pretty much become impossible for me to do anything more than a few chords, and I have good days and bad days with that. I decided that the worst thing I could do was to stop. Sometimes my hands hurt after a gig, and I did have to adjust my technique somewhat, but by golly, I can still play! I have a couple of video links of a recent gig, sound quality is so-so, but you can see the state of my hands at times throughout the videos.

The Back on Earth Band - Rockin' Robin - YouTube

The Back on Earth Band - Brown Eyed Girl - YouTube

I realize these are tired old songs, but our fans love them, so we play them. I'm not expecting any kudos or anything for the vids. I guess my point is to find out what kind of arthritis caused you to have to give up something you obviously loved. I know that someday I may be faced with the same dilemma, but I hope it's not for a good long time yet...fortunately the RA is in remission, so I soldier on...
Osteoarthritis. Simple wear and tear. It's genetic.

Listen, my essay Hell is in Los Angeles was IN NO WAY DIRECTED AT MUSICIANS LIKE YOU. I'd feel terrible if you thought that. I was talking about people who get cosmetic surgery to become horrifying clones, or people who try and ride the coattails of other bands to their own rancid, hellish version of stardom, complete with Grade Z versions of all the rock-star lifestyle: groupies, Industry insiders, posses, etc.

Please forgive me if you got the impression that I was denigrating people like you. That wasn't my intention at all, and if I upset you, I'm sorry.
 
"Hell is in Los Angeles" was a very enjoyable read. Humorous and disturbing all at once. You are a fortunate individual, because you were granted not one but two talents. You may have been forced to put the bass down but keep at the writing. It would be a shame to cast both aside.
 
"Hell is in Los Angeles" was a very enjoyable read. Humorous and disturbing all at once. You are a fortunate individual, because you were granted not one but two talents. You may have been forced to put the bass down but keep at the writing. It would be a shame to cast both aside.
Thank you very much.

I'm still writing, and plan to keep on writing. I've got a few more things up my sleeve for here, and I've got novels to try and sell.

This here is my swan song for the bass, but the writing will carry on.

For you, another L.A. story:

One of the most phenomenal bassists I've ever met (besides Scott Thunes) came here when he was in his early 20s. His first audition was for a giant legend. He was required to bring all his own equipment and amps, which he did, unloading them himself as the legend and his sycophants watched without comment or help. He set the amp up in silence, plugged it in, set up foot pedals, plugged in the bass, all while the legend sat there, surrounded by his court.

Then the bassist switched on the amp. Nothing. It didn't turn on. Frantically he jiggled wires and inspected connections as the flop sweat began pouring out of his entire body.

"Holy sh*t, what kind of idiot brings a broken amp to an audition?" the legend barked.

The bassist--a kid in his early 20s, right out of music school, remember--said, "I don't know what's wrong with it. I checked everything before I came. I'm sorry."

And then one of the entourage popped out from behind the amp, holding up the power cord. He'd unplugged the amp while the bassist was setting up. Everybody roared with laughter, and then the audition proceeded. The bassist didn't get the job.

He chuckled as he told me this story, nearly 30 years later, but I could see how much it still hurt. As for me, that made me hate the legend. Hate his guts. That level of sadism hits too close to home. If someone had done that to me, I likely would've responded with physical violence.

I hate pranks; I hate "practical jokes"; and I hate hazing. I'm not saying they're wrong; I'm saying I hate them. So just a word of warning: If any of you ever prank me or humiliate me in public, I will projectile vomit in your face like that scene in The Exorcist. I'm an expert at vomiting now, so you've been warned.
 
It'll be the most eagerly awaited coda in some time. He's just letting the tension build.

You know what? You nailed it again. I didn't even think about that, but it's exactly what he said when he told me he hadn't watched the video. He said he had to push me to the breaking point first. That just p*ssed me off because it seemed like just more of his 200-I.Q.-not-knowing-how-to-deal-with-apes problem, but you're exactly right.

All great artists know how to use tension in their art. What we're witnessing here is brilliant performance art.

I forgot. Thanks for bringing me to my senses. You're exactly right again.
 
Osteoarthritis. Simple wear and tear. It's genetic.

Listen, my essay Hell is in Los Angeles was IN NO WAY DIRECTED AT MUSICIANS LIKE YOU. I'd feel terrible if you thought that. I was talking about people who get cosmetic surgery to become horrifying clones, or people who try and ride the coattails of other bands to their own rancid, hellish version of stardom, complete with Grade Z versions of all the rock-star lifestyle: groupies, Industry insiders, posses, etc.

Please forgive me if you got the impression that I was denigrating people like you. That wasn't my intention at all, and if I upset you, I'm sorry.


No offense taken, and my post was not in response to Hell is in Los Angeles. It was just a question for its own sake. I'm OK with not being famous, and I've never toured with anyone, or done anything other than play in my local area. I'm a decent bassist, who used to be a little more proficient on the instrument than I am now, aware of my limitations, and sometimes frustrated that I have trouble playing what I hear in my head. I can conceive of bass lines that I can no longer get my fingers to execute. Not that any of those lines are all that inspiring or unique, but they were/are my own.

It wasn't always that way. My playing serves the music to the best of my ability, and I play for the sheer love of it. I'm not out to impress anyone, I just do what I can, and if people like it, great. If they don't, that's OK, too. I've had enough success at it to satisfy me, and playing in a band has been a great part-time avocation that has overall made me more money than it has cost me, and brought me more joy than pain. It has enhanced my life, rather than detracted from it.
 
No offense taken, and my post was not in response to Hell is in Los Angeles. It was just a question for its own sake. I'm OK with not being famous, and I've never toured with anyone, or done anything other than play in my local area. I'm a decent bassist, who used to be a little more proficient on the instrument than I am now, aware of my limitations, and sometimes frustrated that I have trouble playing what I hear in my head. I can conceive of bass lines that I can no longer get my fingers to execute. Not that any of those lines are all that inspiring or unique, but they were/are my own.

It wasn't always that way. My playing serves the music to the best of my ability, and I play for the sheer love of it. I'm not out to impress anyone, I just do what I can, and if people like it, great. If they don't, that's OK, too. I've had enough success at it to satisfy me, and playing in a band has been a great part-time avocation that has overall made me more money than it has cost me, and brought me more joy than pain. It has enhanced my life, rather than detracted from it.
Thank you for setting my mind at ease. You're a very nice man and a great bassist, and if you'd thought I'd posted that as a way to make fun of people who play for the love of music, I would've had to take it down.

As I hope everyone understands, that essay is a comment on the heartlessness and destructiveness of the music industry. As Joni Mitchell says today, she's glad she's out of the industry because it's a cesspool.

She means because of the way people in the industry treat others.

Thanks again for taking the time to respond. I appreciate it.
 
A brief note of explanation is in order:

The Bay Area was the most haunted place on the planet for me. It was full of ghosts.

As I'm sure anyone reading this has gathered, Scott Thunes was one of my ghosts. I couldn't get over seeing this huge talent not being utilized, and I couldn't get over the hit after hit after hit he was taking. Then I began taking my own hits, professionally and personally in terms of physical afflictions.

The night that Thunes joined this forum to comment on this thread, I went and looked up every single The Mother Hips video on YouTube, and I was released by his ghost. He was going to be fine after all.

That same night, another ghost in the Bay Area released me, a pure coincidence, maybe. At any rate, the Bay Area is no longer haunted. I may even visit it again someday.

So, in the end, it was all worth it. I wouldn't change a thing.

Were I so tall to reach the pole,
Or grasp the ocean with my span,
I must be measur'd by my soul:
The mind's the standard of the man.


--Isaac Watts
 
Arthritic_Tom said:
Excellent question. Who goes to book readings to insult the author? Scott Thunes volunteered to accompany me to a reading in the Bay Area, which was a massively generous, courageous thing for him to do. After the reading, we offered to take questions, and some fat bearded oaf immediately raised his hand and said very belligerently, "Yeah, I gotta question! Whadja do, just take the transcripts of your interviews and publish them? Pretty easy way to write a book if you ask me!"

I said, "Well, try it sometime." But what I actually wanted to do was take Scott's plugged-in bass and crown that loudmouth with it multiple times: BA-WAHNG, BA-WAHNG, BA-WAHNG. And then I'd ask Sean Connery's immortal question to the rest of them:

"So what do you think? Does he feel better now or worse?"

I've long since given up trying to figure out why people do things. Most of the time they can't even tell you themselves. But at every single reading, someone showed up with their own book and sat in the front row, a couple feet away from me, their nose ostentatiously buried in their deeply fascinating tome. It was another raised middle finger to me, someone they didn't even know and who wasn't causing them any harm whatsoever.

Which is why I'm telling you about the generosity and helpfulness of some of the people I met and worked with.

They weren't just following along with you reading?
 
Rocker949 said:
This is an incredibly interesting thread. I've never seen anything quite like it on TB. To top it off, Tom's writing would be outstanding no matter what the subject. Actually, the existence of this thread is like an unexpected stroke of luck for TB itself (especially since it seems there has been an unusual amount of trolling here lately.) Reading this thread makes it worth it all.

I agree!
 
Thank you for setting my mind at ease. You're a very nice man and a great bassist, and if you'd thought I'd posted that as a way to make fun of people who play for the love of music, I would've had to take it down.

As I hope everyone understands, that essay is a comment on the heartlessness and destructiveness of the music industry. As Joni Mitchell says today, she's glad she's out of the industry because it's a cesspool.

She means because of the way people in the industry treat others.

Thanks again for taking the time to respond. I appreciate it.


And thank you for the compliment. I wasn't fishing for one (in case anyone else thought otherwise), I was genuinely wondering about the arthritis issue. When you said you had quit playing because of the arthritis, it hit close to home, given my own issues with joint damage in my hands. I was stubborn, and didn't see a doctor about it until the damage was done, and my hands were mildly deformed, a mistake I would never wish on anyone. In fact, several other people I know have started having problems with their hands, and I have told them to run, not walk, to the nearest rheumatologist and get treated before their hands get like mine.

An old friend of mine who I saw at a reunion in the fall of 2010 took my advice (he was pretty badly crippled up from RA in his ankles, could barely walk, and was obviously in some pain), and asked his doctor about the meds I was taking. His doctor said, "let's try that", and after a few months, he contacted me to say that he no longer was using a cane, or the scooters at the grocery store, walking without pain, and was back to playing drums in his local church. So, maybe some of my reason for asking you about it was an offer to help, even though I don't know you personally.

Even though I play bass, I'm a drummer at heart. Before the RA hit, I was a very percussive, aggressive player (although I never could get the hang of slapping and popping), combining that method of attack with a developing sense of melody and counter-melody (fostered by my interaction and friendship with Phil Keaggy), and the absolute beauty of Paul McCartney's playing. My main influences on bass were (and remain) Paul McCartney, Jack Bruce, and Phil Keaggy, in that order. Drumming influences were Ringo, Mitch Mitchell, and Ginger Baker, each in their own way actually melodic players. My best friend in high school was a jazz drummer, who introduced me to Krupa, Rich, and Morello, and my own research led me to Elvin Jones, who was a large influence on Mitch Mitchell. I started playing bass because it was less expensive than drums (at least to get started), and also a bit quieter...and I had a natural affinity for it, which may have a genetic component, because nearly every relative from both sides of the family who play, took up bass...go figure!
 
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