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Tom - speaking of flamethowers - what do you think of the show "Deadliest Warrior"? I know they've tested out flamethrowers before....
Actually, I've never seen it. I'm not a TV watcher. I use my TV to watch DVDs.

Allegedly I'm helping a guy build copies of German World War One flamethrowers for use in an upcoming movie blockbuster, but I've heard tons of promises like that before. I sent him all the photos and specs and put it out of my mind.

I can't tell you how many times people have told me they were going to get me some spectacular gig, and then nothing happened. It's okay. People like to promise things they can't possibly deliver just so they can feel like big cheeses.
 
I had a book that collected a lot of his interviews from his time at Creem and basically he took issue w/any subject that didn't adhere to his view of what rock and roll should be. Simply put, rock was meant to be simple and foster rebellion against societal "norms". And it had to be in your face. He loved Ted Nugent, abhorred Aerosmith. He tried his hand at playing in a rock band but it was a mess since he couldn't play guitar. Interesting but kinda repulsive character, I guess a sort of American answer to the snarkiness that the British music press can deliver sometimes. But with demons included and on full display.
Boy, that's sad. There are places where everybody rebels against societal norms. Somalia comes to mind. Liberia.

I don't know much about Bangs, but that sort of attitude always kind of infuriated me. I was born in a Third World country. It's really easy to talk about how much better off we'd be without societal norms when 1) you're living safely in a First World country governed by the rule of law, and 2) you know what you're preaching is never, ever going to happen in a billion years.

I heard Lawrence O'Donnell of MSNBC proudly announce that he's a socialist. He earns $2 million a year. The mean household income in the U.S. is $26,000. If O'Donnell were a real socialist, he'd give away about $1.9 million of his salary per year so he could be on a par with the average Joe he claims to have such empathy for.

You think he does that? Of course not. He's not a socialist; he's a pretend-socialist. He's like a little kid putting a plastic bucket on his head and saying he's a knight or an astronaut.

It's easy to call yourself a rebel when you're protected by all the forces you claim to be against. Where I grew up, all the American workers carried hammocks in their cars, because the cops would pull them over and arrest them for no reason. The hammock was for the prison they'd put them in, which had no beds. They'd wait there until their company or family appeared with the proper bribe money, and then they'd be released.

When I lived in San Francisco, I was in a restaurant run by a Burmese immigrant. One of the customers began complaining loudly about the Rodney King beating and how it showed what a horrible country we live in.

The owner stormed over and yelled at the guy, "The whole nation is in an uproar because of one beating! Where I came from, the cops kills hundreds at a time, and nobody does anything! They come in your house and murder you, and nobody does anything! This is the greatest country in the world! Get out of my restaurant and never come back!"

I would tell all "rebels" to remember the old adage: "Beware of what you wish for. You just might get it."
 
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Here's the only time I'll use my own life as an example: Don't waste a moment of time being impotently angry. If your anger serves as a catalyst for action, that's great. But don't sit there and seethe helplessly for years. Meniere's disease is an autoimmune disorder, which means it's caused in part by stress.

It's not worth it.

Thus endeth the lecture.

This may be the most elegantly phrased life lesson anyone will ever teach you.

You nailed it, Tom. Well spoken.
 
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Boy, that's sad. There are places where everybody rebels against societal norms. Somalia comes to mind. Liberia.

I don't know much about Bangs, but that sort of attitude always kind of infuriated me. I was born in a Third World country. It's really easy to talk about how much better off we'd be without societal norms when 1) you're living safely in a First World country governed by the rule of law, and 2) you know what you're preaching is never, ever going to happen in a billion years.

I heard Lawrence O'Donnell of MSNBC proudly announce that he's a socialist. He earns $2 million a year. The mean household income in the U.S. is $26,000. If O'Donnell were a real socialist, he'd give away about $1.9 million of his salary per year so he could be on a par with the average Joe he claims to have such empathy for.

You think he does that? Of course not. He's not a socialist; he's a pretend-socialist. He's like a little kid putting a plastic bucket on his head and saying he's a knight or an astronaut.

It's easy to call yourself a rebel when you're protected by all the forces you claim to be against. Where I grew up, all the American workers carried hammocks in their cars, because the cops would pull them over and arrest them for no reason. The hammock was for the prison they'd put them in, which had no beds. They'd wait there until their company or family appeared with the proper bribe money, and then they'd be released.

When I lived in San Francisco, I was in a restaurant run by a Burmese immigrant. One of the customers began complaining loudly about the Rodney King beating and how it showed what horrible country we live in.

The owner stormed over and yelled at the guy, "The whole nation is in an uproar because of one beating! Where I came from, the cops kills hundreds at a time, and nobody does anything! They come in your house and murder you, and nobody does anything! This is the greatest country in the world! Get out of my restaurant and never come back!"

I would tell all "rebels" to remember the old adage: "Beware of what you wish for. You just might get it."

Quoted because EVERYONE needs to read this.

Incidentally, where were you born?
 
An L.A. story:

I was invited to a party for a band that was said to be so original it was the object of a gigantic bidding war between major labels. The band had already been promised interviews in BAM, Rolling Stone, Vanity Fair, and Harper's Bazaar, even though they hadn't been signed, based on their stunning originality.

At the party, I met the band's four sound men, who were from Kentucky. This was their first Hollywood party. They told me the story of how the band had been discovered: The bassist, an animal lover, was cruising Laurel Canyon Boulevard at 3:00 A.M. She found a wounded dog in the road and parked her car perpendicularly to block both lanes of traffic while she aided it. The dog had a tag with a phone number, which she called. It belonged to a famous music producer, who said, once his dog was safe in the animal hospital, "How can I ever repay you? Dinner maybe?" So they went out to dinner and in the course of the evening, the producer said, "I produce for rock bands."

The bassist said, "I'm in a rock band!"

And the producer said, "Well, I've got to help you!" And now the band was about to take off.

"She's only been playing for less than a year," one of the sound men said. ""But she has a great feel for the instrument. It's not really what you play either. It's how you play it. I mean, you know that, I'm sure. The bottom line is, they're incredibly original."

This led to a debate about integrity versus selling out. I said I had no idea what either term meant. I'd tried to make it as a musician but failed miserably, and if I had it to do over again, I'd be as commercial as I could. Once I'd made my money, I'd then switch to doing the music I liked. One of the sound men, a kid in a hockey jersey and a Woody Allen tweed hat, paused between gulps of beer. We'd discussed his hometown, where once you got high with someone, you were buds for life. He'd asked me if I got high; I said no, and he'd slumped in disappointment. He now shook his head and said, "I disagree wish you. I disagree. Never sell out. Never compromise. I mean, did Jesus sell out?"

I was finally introduced to the bassist. Though she may have been in her thirties, like the rest of the band, she looked to be about seventy years old, with two or three major facelifts in her history. Her lips were stretched into a perfectly straight line, and her nasal-labial folds--the lines that normally bracket the mouth--had been pulled upward until they were horizontal, right under her cheekbones. When she turned to the side, there was such weirdness going on in her profile that she looked like a reconstructed burn victim. She told me she'd paid for the entire night, arranging it all herself. No agent or manager had had anything to do with it. Plus, she'd also just built a recording studio in her home. And she was the one who'd gotten all the coverage at BAM, Rolling Stone, Vanity Fair, Harper's Bazaar, etc.

I knew full well that I should've left right then, but I decided see it through. The band finally started playing at 11:30. It began with an unsteady boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom from the drummer. The lead singer strutted and squatted and whipped his dreadlocks, grimacing and snarling and flailing on his guitar, a dynamo of coiled energy and sexual tension. He did everything required of a great front man except sing on key. The two back-up singers were a sullen, girthy redhead and a gnarled biker mama. They chanted "Ya-ya-ya, ya-ya-ya" behind every song. At least twice, the band stopped in the middle of a tune and started over again because everyone was playing or singing at different tempos. The lead singer kept chuckling, "Thanks for your patience."

And... the bassist. Sid Vicious was a virtuoso in comparison. She hooked the thumb of her plucking hand over top edge of the bass and used only her index finger, while neglecting to dampen any of the strings with her fret hand. The result was a roaring cacophony, the sound of someone dragging a plugged-in bass behind a car. It was as though she hadn't been playing a week, much less a year. Her long, splayed arms and hunched, purse-lipped concentration made her look like a trained circus animal; her performance was as unnatural and heart breaking as that of a gibbon forced to ride a tricycle.

"What the f*ck is this?" a guy behind me asked.

"She's spending the settlement," someone answered.

And that's what it was. California is a community property state. The bassist had gotten a massive settlement when her hubby traded her in for a newer model, and now she was going to be a rock star. All I could think about was all the real musicians flipping burgers and waiting tables because nobody would listen to their demos. "We suck tonight. Sorry," the lead singer said.

The next day I learned that the upstairs of the house had been the scene of encounters between Industry heavy hitters and the most expensive escorts money can by, all paid for by the bassist.

I'm happy to report that no recording contract was ever signed, so the bassist may as well have taken all that cash out into her back yard, doused it in gasoline, and set it on fire.
 
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Night John Boy!

Well, somebody had to say it :atoz:

But seriously, these stories make me thankful I am basically at the edge of the music industry. I play in a cover band doing mainly bars. Generally, the bar owners genuinely like music and treat us with respect. We may not make much money, but we also don't have to deal with a lot of the BS.

Thanks Tom.
 
Wow!! I finally made it through all 22 pages!

Tom, it's amazing that you've been posting your stories on here. I don't have even an ounce of the amazing stories you have but I find I can relate to them and thus, they have been quite therapeutic. I've been struggling as an artist, and recording engineer for over a decade. Recent health problems, and financial problems have made me rethink my priorities, and my career choice. I'm pretty close to hanging it up and trying something else.

I'm not sure yet what I can take away from your stories but they have given me inspiration, and some hope. But they also reconfirm the inevitable conclusion that the music business is complete ********. I think it'll take a few days to really understand what your stories mean to me.

Anyway, it's been said, but I'll say it anyway: thank you so very much for this gift you've given the TB community. It's pretty obvious from the outpouring of support shown here that it's something this forum has needed for quite awhile. Thank you.
 
Brother Tom (that’s what I’m calling you now, in the monk and sibling sense) I was in LA much the same time you were during your Bass Player writing career. As I've mentioned before I feel a sense of familiarity with your journey. Your stories continue to bring memories rushing back from that period of my life. I know and played the clubs you're talking about, I experienced the personalities you jousted with, I feel as if I may have been an arms reach from you on any given night. You were gracious enough to share a bit of your playing with everyone. I wanted to share a snippet of my journey with you.

This clip was done by a friend of the band I spent an 11 year odyssey with. It was much like yours, a tale of rotating members aside from the singer/guitarist and me, and a now long lost bond we shared. It's a medley of some tunes synced up to a live performance. I haven't seen it in years, but you brought thoughts back from another life and it made me seek it out. Thank you.

FLUPEJAC Live at The Gig in Hollywood - YouTube
 
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Brother Tom (that’s what I’m calling you now, in the monk and sibling sense) I was in LA much the same time you were during your Bass Player writing career. As I've mentioned before I feel a sense of familiarity with your journey. Your stories continue to bring memories rushing back from that period of my life. I know and played the clubs you're talking about, I experienced the personalities you jousted with, I feel as if I may have been an arms reach from you on any given night. You were gracious enough to share a bit of your playing with everyone. I wanted to share a snippet of my journey with you.

This clip was done by a friend of the band I spent an 11 year odyssey with. It was much like yours, a tale of rotating members aside from the singer/guitarist and me, and a now long lost bond we shared. It's a medley of some tunes synced up to a live performance. I haven't seen it in years, but you brought thoughts back from another life and it made me seek it out. Thank you.

FLUPEJAC Live at The Gig in Hollywood - YouTube
Sometimes we're too hard on ourselves. I'm going back and reading things I wrote that I haven't seen in more than a decade. My inner rageaholic is whispering, "Let me out. I have a lot of work to do," but instead of giving in to him completely him, I'm just allowing him to metaphorically smash a couple things up before he has to go back inside. That's progress.

One of the reasons the Bay Area was until just a couple days ago the most haunted place on the planet is that someone once very close to me had told me I was the most negative person she'd ever known. It hurt because I felt my anger was justified. But she was right. The anger had taken over and was being expressed everywhere, all the time, so I wasn't pleasant to be around. I should've been more philosophical and taken more things in stride, like Curt Smith did.

And yes, you're a good player.
 
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